VT[5] coming in Q4 2007

[ScorpioProd]

In case the rest of you didn't get the e-mail from your dealer on this,
VT[5] will be shipping in the fourth quarter this year. This has been
announced at IBC. Oddly, I would have expected Newtek to have posted this themselves here, but anyway:

NewTek Unveils VT[5]T The Next Generation TV
Studio-in-a-Box



The first public demonstration of new integrated production suite includes
live virtual set technologies and HD post production capabilities at IBC
2007 Exhibition



Amsterdam, Netherlands- IBC - September 8, 2007 -- NewTek, Inc.,
manufacturer of industry-leading video and 3D animation products, today
announced that the company will publicly showcase it s new VT[5]T Integrated
Production Suite at IBC 2007 (booth 7.102). The VT[5] system features live
switching and web streaming of up to 24 cameras, and now includes LiveSetT,
NewTek s revolutionary new live virtual set technology, VT[5] also includes
advanced new keying capabilities, integrated SDI switching support and
automated clip playback, with simultaneous output to video, projector and
web stream. VT[5] s extensive HD post production capabilities include
sophisticated real-time non-linear editing, video painting and a
full-featured animated character generation package. VT[5] s real-time,
uncompressed video processing with component and SDI output delivers
unsurpassed video quality. The optional Serial Digital switcher adds an
additional eight SDI inputs and SDI routing functionality to the new VT[5]
system.

VT[5] now includes LiveSetT , a proprietary new technology that allows our
customers to implement multi-channel virtual sets in a live environment with
unprecedented realism and video quality," said Dr. Andrew Cross, Executive
Vice President of Software Engineering. "This groundbreaking technology,
integrated into a live production environment, fundamentally changes the
quality and the power of the tools available for video producers."

Live Virtual Sets

NewTek's proprietary LiveSetT system in VT[5], allows separate virtual sets
to be assigned independently to all switcher inputs, including all cameras
and DDRs. In addition, each input has an independent LiveMatteT matting
module eliminating the need for expensive hardware for each source connected
to the system. Each virtual set supports virtual cameras with multiple
angles and zoom levels with support for secondary video sources for on-set
virtual monitors. All effects are rendered with unprecedented photo-realism,
including reflections, refractions, shadows, bump maps, and sophisticated
filtering. Additionally, the advanced new keying capabilities included in
the LiveMatte technology allows refined preview of mattes that allow for the
precise isolation of color, edge and spill for the sharpest possible
results.

Features of VT[5] include :

. 24 input live switching with composite, component, S-Video and SDI inputs
and per-input time-base and color correction.
. 32 channel LiveSet photo-realistic 3D virtual set system and LiveMatte
advanced matting technology.
. Integrated multi-format DDRs with alpha channel support.
. Advanced multiple input switcher effects and transitions with hundreds of
effects included.
. Real time live web-streaming to Flash, Real and Windows Media streams.
. Sophisticated real-time SpeedEDIT non-linear editing system with HD
support.
. High quality full-field-rate on-screen monitoring of video sources and
waveform monitor/vector-scopes.
. Animated Character Generator.
. Video painting technology.
. Ability to record video inputs and outputs to a wide variety of
destinations, including integrated DVD authoring.
. Includes plug-ins that allow a wide variety of third party applications to
be used with VT[5].
. Provided tools allow you to create your own virtual sets, effects and
transitions.
. Extensive file format support including HDV, DV, MPEG, DVCProHD, AVI, MXF,
QuickTime, Uncompressed and many more.

. NOTE: Current VT customers should check the NewTek website for a detailed
list of changes and additions from previous versions.

Pricing and Availability
VT[5] will be available in Q4 2007. The VT[5] system will be available
through the NewTek Authorized Reseller channel at an MSRP of $4995US.
Current owners of any previous version of VT may upgrade their software for
a promotional price of $995US till October 15, 2007. After October 15, 2007,
VT[5] upgrades will be available for $1495US. For more information, please
visit http://www.newtek.com or call NewTek Sales at 1-800-368-5441,
international callers dial +1-210-370-8000. Note: Prices are for the North
American market. International pricing is available through local
distributors.


About NewTek
With headquarters in San Antonio, Texas, NewTek is an Emmy® Award-winning
and leading provider of full-featured video editing, live production,
presentation, animation and special effects tools including TriCasterT,
TriCaster PROT, TriCaster STUDIOT, VT[5] T, SpeedEDITT, 3D Arsenal T and
LightWave 3D®.



-End-

[Jim_C]

>>. Animated Character Generator. <<


????

[jcupp]

>>. Animated Character Generator. <<


????

CG Post?

Note: Lightwave is no longer part of the bundle for new purchasers:thumbsdow

You can have virtual sets but you gotta buy Lightwave to make 'em.

[ScorpioProd]

>>. Animated Character Generator. <<


????
The modern equivalent of "CG POST" is considered to be an "animated character generator" by Newtek.

[Rich Deustachio]

The modern equivalent of "CG POST" is considered to be an "animated character generator" by Newtek.

blah!

[inquisitive]

dang

>Current owners of any previous version of VT may upgrade their software for
>a promotional price of $995US till October 15, 2007. After October 15, 2007,
>VT[5] upgrades will be available for $1495US.

Is that correct? that is quite the upgrade price just for the software solution.

[Ivan]

I am curious how much of this is hype and how much is something new.

24 input live switching with composite, component, S-Video and SDI inputs and per-input time-base and color correction

If you have a BOB and is this new?

Advanced multiple input switcher effects and transitions with hundreds of effects included.

Again, is this something new? Do all the effects go edge to edge now or do we have to be careful of the ones we select while we stream live to the web?

Real time live web-streaming to Flash, Real and Windows Media streams.

Flash? Are we getting the latest version or the old version that doesn't look as good? WM isn't new.

Sophisticated real-time SpeedEDIT non-linear editing system with HD
support.

Sophisticated? Is this a different version than what we already have?

High quality full-field-rate on-screen monitoring of video sources and
waveform monitor/vector-scopes.

Hasn't this been in VT since VT2?

Animated Character Generator.

CG Post? Is there something new?

Video painting technology

Are we getting a new copy of Aura??

Ability to record video inputs and outputs to a wide variety of
destinations, including integrated DVD authoring.

Integrated DVD authoring? You mean we put a link to open ULead DVDWS on the menu or is there more?

Includes plug-ins that allow a wide variety of third party applications to be used with VT[5].

Does that include TMPG support? Anything VT4 doesn't have?

Provided tools allow you to create your own virtual sets, effects and
transitions.

So if you don't own the LW version of VT do you get LW?


Ok so that leaves us with

. 32 channel LiveSet photo-realistic 3D virtual set system and LiveMatte
advanced matting technology.
. Integrated multi-format DDRs with alpha channel support.
. Extensive file format support including HDV, DV, MPEG, DVCProHD, AVI, MXF, QuickTime, Uncompressed and many more.

as new features or am I wrong?

Will we actually be getting Quicktime support that is current or will we be getting the previous version that almost no one uses. Will there be Alpha channel support for Quicktime?

Additionally Current owners of any previous version of VT may upgrade their software for a promotional price of $995US till October 15, 2007. would indicate that the ship date will be after October 15th so again you get to prepurchase vapor ware but this time there is a feature set such as it is and hopefully not an 18 month waiting period.

Ivan

[ncsu1]

uh where is the 2 DSK's?

that would be basically the only reason i would upgrade

[Jim_C]

Is that correct? that is quite the upgrade price just for the software solution.


Yea I'm afraid VT just priced itself out of my range.

I have one coming for my home system from the pre order, but I know the boss at work will not upgrade any of our machines at that price. So I'm not sure if I will install 5 at home since I like to keep them all the same to transfer work easily.

I guess a dual boot of 4 and 5 could work if I am allowed that.

[ScorpioProd]

Ivan, I don't think they actually said "new" in front of all those feature bullets.

After all, this press release is intended for people that don't currently own a VT.

[m4a2000]

This brings up questions my boss/old video teacher has been asking me since last fall... "Did they fix the problems with the CG maker, can we now have 2+ DSKs, do we need more then 2 Gigs of RAM, and are we sure this is a free update?" ... Some questions I need answered before I can even ask my boss/old video teacher before I start installing anything.

[ScorpioProd]

Nothing in life is free.

[wvp]

In case the rest of you didn't get the e-mail from your dealer on this,
VT[5] will be shipping in the fourth quarter this year. This has been
announced at IBC. Oddly, I would have expected Newtek to have posted this themselves here, but anyway:
Yes, a company should make these annoucements to its current users first or at the same time but as others have pointed out before, Newtek is not communicating they way they should.
. NOTE: Current VT customers should check the NewTek website for a detailed list of changes and additions from previous versions.
I would, but I can't find any such list

Ivan -- Most of what you list is (of course you allready know) not "new". The new formats as well as SpeedEdit is new - you may allready have SpeedEdit but other VT owners and newbes don't have this.
I don't think the on screen monitors have been "high quality full field rate".
I am wondering what they mean by "integrated DVD authoring" as well. Ulead/Corel workshop is stagnet at this point and does not support HD formats while the editor now will. I bet this is a "missprint" and should read "integrated DVD encoding" :(
WOW! Don't think I've ever seen a product announced at one price and then shipped at a far higher price.

[tfrank]

Would be great if someone at NewTek jumped into this thread. I have a question. Since I have Lightwave and Aura on my existing 4.6 installs, do I lose them if I upgrade to VT5?

[ScorpioProd]

I am wondering what they mean by "integrated DVD authoring" as well. Ulead/Corel workshop is stagnet at this point and does not support HD formats while the editor now will. I bet this is a "missprint" and should read "integrated DVD encoding" :(


Well, Newtek has ALWAYS considered the bundled Ulead DVD WS 2 SE to be their "integrated DVD authoring." Nothing in VT[5] claims HD format authoring support.


WOW! Don't think I've ever seen a product announced at one price and then shipped at a far higher price.

I'm not clear what people are surprised about here. It's TOTALLY normal for a product to have a low pre-sale price and then to go to a higher price when it is actually released. If it didn't, why on earth would people put their money down over a year before a product comes out?

[Jim_C]

If it didn't, why on earth would people put their money down over a year before a product comes out?

I think there are currently many users asking themselves the same thing.... ;)


I was just suprised at how MUCH more the actual price is than the promo.
$1500 bucks is a LOT for a software upgrade of any kind. (other pre-order price ignored for point).

You can buy Speed Edit for about $300 bucks, so that means the extra new VT5 features (whatever they are) costs us $1200.

[UnCommonGrafx]

When I saw that number, my thought was (is): are they trying to get rid of the VT crowd or what?

But I guess it is thought that virtual sets will be that coveted. My thoughts on that are that I hope that they FINISH this one before they start on something else. Ask me if you care to know my definition of FINISH.

[tfrank]

I was just suprised at how MUCH more the actual price is than the promo.
$1500 bucks is a LOT for a software upgrade of any kind. (other pre-order price ignored for point).

Not only that, but just a tad over 30 days to decide on software that I haven't seen and on software that hasn't been officially documented and launched on NewTek's own site. Part of me feels like I am being pressured for an early commitment on faith that that the software will be functional and delivered on time as promised. Oh darn it, I think that I've been here before.:D

[logic28]

Personally, I just hope for Newtek's future sake that the new editing software will provide a decent slow-motion.

It is really the only REAL bad thing about the whole VTxx Live deal.

It is not very professional and not much use to any half decent videographer not to mention the well-known fact that it can't be used in conjunction with any other asset in the control tree unless RTV files are used.
Everything else is either good or at least acceptable.

Maz

[wvp]

Well, Newtek has ALWAYS considered the bundled Ulead DVD WS 2 SE to be their "integrated DVD authoring." Nothing in VT[5] claims HD format authoring support.
:agree: But its pretty poor integration to offer HD editing and only SD authoring.

[wvp]

I'm not clear what people are surprised about here. It's TOTALLY normal for a product to have a low pre-sale price and then to go to a higher price when it is actually released. If it didn't, why on earth would people put their money down over a year before a product comes out?
My point was the FAR higher price. I suppose as a pre-purchaser I should now feel better waiting so long that I got an even better deal. On the other hand, there are several "major" items that I think should have allready been fixed or implemented and at these new prices will be thinking much harder before upgrading again (especially with 3 licenses!)

[creach]

My point was the FAR higher price.

Think about the organizations that may have budgeted an upgrade but are *now* told it's going to cost more than they've budgeted for...

[Rmarq]

Have any of you checked out Adobe Ultra (released with CS3)? It is virtual set technology, and seems EASY to use. I just wonder how it compares to what VT5 is going to offer?

[Paul Lara]

Ultra is cool...but it is a capture/ingest/render process. VT[5] virtual sets are LIVE!

Have any of you checked out Adobe Ultra (released with CS3)? It is virtual set technology, and seems EASY to use. I just wonder how it compares to what VT5 is going to offer?

[Paul Lara]

uh where is the 2 DSK's?
that would be basically the only reason i would upgrade

There is now 1 DSK and 1 Upstream effects bus, that can be used with keyable sources during a live switch, or to assign video inputs to on-screen virtual monitors when using the live sets.

[Paul Lara]

I guess a dual boot of 4 and 5 could work if I am allowed that.

Not only is it allowed, but VT[5] can now be installed on the same partition as a VT[4] install without any issues! No need to boot into another partition, Jim.

[Paul Lara]

Lightwave is no longer part of the bundle for new purchasers.
You can have virtual sets but you gotta buy Lightwave to make 'em.

NewTek now has a couple of 3D options for the video community, and can no longer assume that our customers want LightWave as their primary 3D application; they might prefer 3D Arsenal instead.

We'll have special pricing for our VT customers who want the latest version of LightWave or 3D Arsenal.

Upgrade customers will continue on with the same version of LightWave they had before. Those who paid extra for the latest version of LightWave will get a separate license of LightWave 9.x, including the dongle. This will allow use of any third-party LightWave plugin, as well as adding mobility to install LightWave on multiple computers.

[Paul Lara]

I am curious how much of this is hype and how much is something new.

Ivan,
A general press release has to talk about the overall product to new customers unfamiliar with VT[4] or NewTek. That it is not new to you makes it no less useful to our customers.

For all the VT[4] (and [3]...and [2]) customers out there wondering what has been added, I will post a detailed list in a separate thread.

Paul

[D3Cast]

Not only is it allowed, but VT[5] can now be installed on the same partition as a VT[4] install without any issues!Paul: Is this true? I'm, um, worried about whether the removal of the VT VfW video driver in VT[5] would also affect VT[4], and therefore leave such a user unable to do a push stream from VT[4] (where -- correct me if I'm wrong -- the only way to initiate a push stream is to use standalone Windows Media Encoder).

I had assumed that the answer would be that VT[5] replaces VT[4], so the removal of the VfW driver would not be an issue.

Did any of that make sense?

-steve

[jcupp]

There is now 1 DSK and 1 Upstream effects bus, that can be used with keyable sources during a live switch, or to assign video inputs to on-screen virtual monitors when using the live sets.

OK, without having seen the interface as of yet my two questions are:
Can I do a crossfade from one animated lower third to another at any arbitrary point? I.E the fabled 'Next' button.

Can I easily have an animated bug and still do lower thirds? Assigning the bug as an upstream key to multiple inputs at once doesn't count. I want transitions behind the bug.

These are by far the most requested 'Live' features by my customers.

[Qexit]

NewTek now has a couple of 3D options for the video community, and can no longer assume that our customers want LightWave as their primary 3D application; they might prefer 3D Arsenal instead.

We'll have special pricing for our VT customers who want the latest version of LightWave or 3D Arsenal.

Upgrade customers will continue on with the same version of LightWave they had before. Those who paid extra for the latest version of LightWave will get a separate license of LightWave 9.x, including the dongle. This will allow use of any third-party LightWave plugin, as well as adding mobility to install LightWave on multiple computers.Any chance you could clarify that a little bit ? The reason I ask is that I have VT3 and OneVideo here in the UK still appear to be listing/offering the two 4.6 with free VT5 software upgrade deals (still available to Stateside users through the Newtek site so should still be available through OneVideo here in the UK, I'm going to ring and check tomorrow):

http://www.onevideo.co.uk/video-toaster-46-software-upgrade-p-443.html
http://www.onevideo.co.uk/video-toaster-46-software-upgrade-lw75-p-220.html

Which version of Lightwave would the VT5 software upgrades give with these two upgrade options. It is not stated on the description for either.

Thanks.

[KHS-TV]

Not only is it allowed, but VT[5] can now be installed on the same partition as a VT[4] install without any issues! No need to boot into another partition, Jim.

Whoa! That'll be nice. Will VT[4] and VT[5] share desktop settings? How much will they be divided (or not)? Will VT[5] just kill VT[4]'s WinRTME instance when it starts up?

[DanH]

Think about the organizations that may have budgeted an upgrade but are *now* told it's going to cost more than they've budgeted for... We planned for a $600 upgrade, which I understood would also include SpeedEdit. I'm confused about all of this and I am seriously thinking of switching to the new Vegas 8.

[billmi]

The $600 price was a limited-time pre-order special that included a stand-alone copy of Speed Edit along with Lightwave 8.5 and SpeedEdit VT in VT[5]. That offer had an expiration date of sometime back in 2006. It provided a significant cost savings for those willing to wait.

[tfrank]

Actually I had a dealer quote me the same price just a couple of months ago...to take a 4.6 system to VT5 (no SpeedEdit copy). So that is what I had budgeted also.

[Rich Deustachio]

The $600 price was a limited-time pre-order special that included a stand-alone copy of Speed Edit along with Lightwave 8.5 and SpeedEdit VT in VT[5]. That offer had an expiration date of sometime back in 2006. It provided a significant cost savings for those willing to wait.

I hope this hasn't changed, but it sounds like we won't get 8.5 Lightwave even if we did order over a year ago. Any clarification on this?

[Qexit]

I hope this hasn't changed, but it sounds like we won't get 8.5 Lightwave even if we did order over a year ago. Any clarification on this?I don't know about the arrangement/deal in the States but if you follow the links in my earlier post there are/were two VT4.6 upgrade options one getting you LW7.5 the other LW8.5 as part of the deal. There is a significant difference in the two prices though.

[jcupp]

Actually I had a dealer quote me the same price just a couple of months ago...to take a 4.6 system to VT5 (no SpeedEdit copy). So that is what I had budgeted also.

Dealers found out about the price increase Friday. Price increase officially took effect Monday.

[wvp]

I hope this hasn't changed, but it sounds like we won't get 8.5 Lightwave even if we did order over a year ago. Any clarification on this?
I'm sure NT will be giving what you (& I) orderd. Certainly if they don't then you would at least have the right for refund.

[Videonut]

We'll have special pricing for our VT customers who want the latest version of LightWave or 3D Arsenal.

Upgrade customers will continue on with the same version of LightWave they had before. Those who paid extra for the latest version of LightWave will get a separate license of LightWave 9.x, including the dongle. This will allow use of any third-party LightWave plugin, as well as adding mobility to install LightWave on multiple computers.

Please clarify - Are we going to get the 8.5 as we paid for with our VT[5] upgrade or do we have to purchase an upgrade to 9.X to get any version of Lightwave? This is kind of important!!!!!!!!!!

[Rich Deustachio]

Maybe they figured it's been so long since they sold us on the VT5 upgrade we would forget what the actual deal was. Or maybe they just forgot what the deal was. But when I ordered VT5 lightwave 8.5 was promised.

I think Paul means for new orders of VT5.

[prospector]

I think Paul means for new orders of VT5.
I hope so.

[Thalek]

Upgrade customers will continue on with the same version of LightWave they had before. Those who paid extra for the latest version of LightWave will get a separate license of LightWave 9.x, including the dongle. This will allow use of any third-party LightWave plugin, as well as adding mobility to install LightWave on multiple computers.

When I got my VT[4] last year, I managed to get the impression that I would be getting LW 9.x with the upgrade to VT[5].

I take it that is not the actual case?

[inquisitive]

It will be interesting to see what do post users get for $995 - $1495 US upgrade fee.

Looks like the end of the road for me.

[ScorpioProd]

Well, post-only users can buy SE if they don't need what VT[5] offers.

I really don't see why post-only users keep thinking they need to buy VT[5]. The whole point of the SE spin-off was that if you don't need legacy SD analog connections, you don't need VT, just SE (if that is your NLE of choice.)

Remember, VT[5] isn't magically making the VT card support HD I/O.

And hey, with the latest SE patch, you can even use your existing VT card and VT[4] 4.6c installation for SD analog monitoring of your video, at no extra charge.

I really can't see a reason anyone would buy VT[5] for just post, that wouldn't make sense.

VT[5] is made for LIVE PRODUCTION.

[Pete Draves]

I need analog i/o for most of my actions and running sound thru a dvd deck from xlr plugs is not an option.
Why don't you support any of the aja/blackmagic io cards, or is no one interested in this. Do we have to go to another platform to get what should be normal?

Pete

[tfrank]

I really can't see a reason anyone would buy VT[5] for just post, that wouldn't make sense.

One major reason Eugene...the SX84 or whatever it's going to be called. If I had another alternative, like a "mini-bob PLUS", I would buy several SE's. But each of my systems has multiple inputs...from tape decks, Mini DV, DVD, VHS, DVCpro and a planned router in/out. I wanted to buy several additional VT systems to be configured the same way. As far as SD is concerned, it's 100% of my business and it will be that way for at least a couple of more years.

[Rich Deustachio]

Same here, I still get clients bringing me in Hi8 VHS Beta etc. as sources for projects to edit. It's the breakout box, that's the reason I stay with VT5 and not just SE.

[Tony R]

Same here, I still get clients bringing me in Hi8 VHS Beta etc. as sources for projects to edit. It's the breakout box, that's the reason I stay with VT5 and not just SE.

But all you need is one of those ADVC110 converters. I use the 100 model. I go S-Video in and it it has firewire out. You can also use the analog outputs to watch on a tv. I paid about $225 for mine. That should take care of your analog needs. I am seriously of leaving VT5 and sticking with SE because I really do not need any of the live stuff and I feel like that is why I am paying lots of money. I could sell the card and the SX8 and upgrade other equipment. I used to love the use of uncompressed in but it doesnt matter anymore. If it is going down to DVD, then all of that uncompressed information is being thrown out the window anyway.

Tony

[Tony R]

NewTek now has a couple of 3D options for the video community, and can no longer assume that our customers want LightWave as their primary 3D application; they might prefer 3D Arsenal instead.


But, unless there is a new standalone version of 3D Arsenol, the original one (that I own) only works WITH Lightwave. What good is 3DA without LW?

Tony

[Paul Lara]

But, unless there is a new standalone version of 3D Arsenol, the original one (that I own) only works WITH Lightwave. What good is 3DA without LW?

The stand-alone version of 3D Arsenal comes with a copy of LightWave, Tony.

[Tony R]

Paul, I knew 3DA came with LW because I purchased it. The way you worded it made it sound like it was being sold without it and one would need to buy LW to use it. I misread your post.

Tony

[billmi]

Paul,
As someone who bought the VT[5] upgrade with LW 8.5 rather than 9, am I correct in that my appropriate upgrade path to 9 would be wait until VT[5] ships, since that will have dongled 8.5, and then buy a 9 upgrade for it?

[Rich Deustachio]

Paul, I knew 3DA came with LW because I purchased it. The way you worded it made it sound like it was being sold without it and one would need to buy LW to use it. I misread your post.

Tony


It is....you can just buy the content pack.

[SBowie]

As someone who bought the VT[5] upgrade with LW 8.5 rather than 9, am I correct in that my appropriate upgrade path to 9 would be wait until VT[5] ships, since that will have dongled 8.5, and then buy a 9 upgrade for it?My understanding is that - if your VT[5] has LW 8.5 (because some have VT's with no LW, right?) - 8.5 will not require a dongle, as before ... but if you upgrade to 9 a dongle will be included/required.

[sadkkf]

It will be interesting to see what do post users get for $995 - $1495 US upgrade fee.

Looks like the end of the road for me.

Ditto here. I was beginning to wonder what SpeedEdit's role in the universe was and now I know. *sigh*

[ScorpioProd]

Ditto here. I was beginning to wonder what SpeedEdit's role in the universe was and now I know. *sigh*

Ah, what role did you find for it? :devil:

[Jim Capillo]

It is....you can just buy the content pack.

Where is that listed, Rich?

[Tony R]

I always knew that one could purchase 3DA without LW. I did so myself when I bought it. I was just commenting that, without LW, 3DA is useless.

[Rich Deustachio]

Where is that listed, Rich?


http://www.sharbor.com/scripts/search.cgi?ke=3D+Arsenal&x=0&y=0

[Rich Deustachio]

I always knew that one could purchase 3DA without LW. I did so myself when I bought it. I was just commenting that, without LW, 3DA is useless.

Tony didn't you mean 3D Arsenal without Lightwave is useless?

[sadkkf]

Ah, what role did you find for it?

An editor for us post-ers. I only know my year-old laptop can't run it and haven't installed it on my VT box yet so I can only hope it does what I need and doesn't cost an arm and a leg to upgrade. *sigh*

[Tony R]

Rich, arent these two statements the same? 6 of 1 , half dozen of the other.

I said: Without LW, 3DA is useless

Your said: 3D Arsenal without Lightwave is useless

[Rich Deustachio]

hehe yea I just reread it.....hmmmm

[lwaddict]

Just swung by the forums...
been busy and haven't been in for a very long time.

Is it true?
We may actually get our VT5 upgrades at long last?

[Thalek]

It certainly sounds like it.

[jackz]

Is tomorrow the last chance to get the $1995.00 Hardware/Software upgrade deal? Can I turn in a VT4000?

I still have a Video Toaster 4000 in storage...

Jack Z.
I need to upgrade!.

[Zane Condren]

Yes, you can still call your dealer tomorrow and trade in your VT4000 for the $1995 hardware trade in.