Detailed VT[5] features list

[Paul Lara]

Here is a preliminary outline of the new things offered in VT[5], which is shipping Q4 this year.
I'll post a more detailed write-up of these features soon.
As you can see from the list, this is the most significant upgrade NewTek has ever offered for live production!

What's NEW in VT[5] (ftp://ftp.newtek.com/pub/VT5/VT5_Features.pdf) - Feature Details

I'd be happy to elaborate on any of the features for you,

Paul

[robewil]

Thank you, Paul.

[PIZAZZ]

this thread needs some sticky stuff on it. :)

[Tony R]

DAMN! Unless I missed it, no mention of the interpolated slo-mo I asked about earlier today. Now I have to decide to jump ship or stick around. This is a much needed feature. Oh well.

Tony

[Rich Deustachio]

AVI Wrapper supports TMPGenc?

Project backup tool, how does this work, does it just save the parts of the video clips used?

Please let us know if the slo-motion is being worked on for future patches.

Thanks Paul!

[ScorpioProd]

Please let us know if the slo-motion is being worked on for future patches.

Now Rich... Do you really expect any company you ask this question to to answer it with a "no"??? I think the better question would be WHEN will we have it...

[goodrichm]

What are the minimum and recommended system specs to run the new VT5?

I notice that some features use the graphic card's GPU. What are the min graphic card specs needed for this?

What limitations are there if using the original VTNT card with VT5 (apart from # of channels)?

Thanks...MG

[gcj_triplem]

DSK upgrade has vanished?

For live broadcast work, the dsk is probable one of the most important features.

Are we getting two DSK or not??

[Gary Robinson]

Thanks Paul,
Very impressive list. Will a DVD authoring tool be included, or should we look into a 3rd party offering?

[ncsu1]

never mind

[Paul Lara]

DSK upgrade has vanished?

For live broadcast work, the dsk is probable one of the most important features.

Are we getting two DSK or not??

In VT[5], there is a downstream key, and an upstream key.
Not only are they are independent of each other, but the upstream key can use the NewTek LiveSet feature to have a bug or lower-third assigned to that input.

[KHS-TV]

In VT[5], there is a downstream key, and an upstream key.
Not only are they are independent of each other, but the upstream key can use the NewTek LiveSet feature to have a bug or lower-third assigned to that input.

Hi Paul,

I'm not quite sure how LiveSet will work, so I apologize in advance if this is a stupid question.

You mentioned you can use upstream through LiveSet to assign a lower-third or a bug to an input... could I assign an over-the shoulder graphic using LiveSet, and if so, how would one go about doing it? Would I have to resize the graphic to be in the right spot on the screen beforehand? Would I just have a graphic with an alpha channel or would I have to use luma key or something (what I currently have to do if I want an over-the-shoulder AND a separate title on DSK)? Could I somehow get LiveSet to put the contents of a DDR in a certain spot on the screen, meaning VT would scale whatever I wanted as an over-the-shoulder in real-time? Could I do entrance effects with an over-the-shoulder graphic like the Amiga Toaster could do? (I don't know how the Amiga Toaster did it since it's before my time, but I've seen archive tapes with over-the-shoulder graphics coming in animated)

Also, in the feature list, it says, "VT[5] Switcher now has a third bus for upstream effects that allow you select what video
sources are being mapped onto the secondary video sources in input effects." Sadly, I'm not quite sure what that means. Could you please explain it to me?

I must say that I'm extremely excited for VT[5] to come out based on the LiveSet engine alone... improved keying, being able to preview keys, assigning keys to inputs, and incredible real-time live sets are amazing! QuickTime support will be great, too. I really appreciate all of the changes in VT[5] and look forward to receiving it... we bought the VT[4] software upgrade in June from B&H, which I believe means we get a free upgrade to [5]. (Right? Please tell me I'm right... please! :)) Thanks in advance for any help you can give with my questions!

[ACross]

Hi Paul,

I'm not quite sure how LiveSet will work, so I apologize in advance if this is a stupid question.

You mentioned you can use upstream through LiveSet to assign a lower-third or a bug to an input... could I assign an over-the shoulder graphic using LiveSet, and if so, how would one go about doing it? Would I have to resize the graphic to be in the right spot on the screen beforehand? Would I just have a graphic with an alpha channel or would I have to use luma key or something (what I currently have to do if I want an over-the-shoulder AND a

[snip]


It is slightly hard to describe everything fully in a forum post, however I'll try :)

Basically effects can include warps of any kind of both the main layer (e.g. the talent) and the background (e.g. the over the shoulder graphic) so you would not need to manually position it. You use the third switcher bus to control what video source is being mapped into the background video source. Either video source can be any switcher input, including cameras or DDRs, etc...

Effects are not limited to virtual sets, but can also be dual-box shots, etc...

An effect can be set up on every input so you can transition between two effects freely.

(and in answer to one of the posts above.)
In addition, the CG and title templates can directly export one or many pages directly to effects, which in effect gives you an up-stream keying on every input source individually.

Andrew

[Jim_C]

All this 'new hard to explain' feature stuff is BEGGING for an instructional video and/or walk thru of trhe new features.

We have this fabulous vga, screen capture, auto stream, convert power, PLEASE, someone at Newtek (or an approved Beta tester) sit down, go thru the new stuff and post it on Youtube or the Newtek site.

I'm not really getting any of this new live stuff, and if I am going to convince the boss to upgrade all the systems at the new prices I am REALLY going to have to sell it to him.

Jim

[ACross]

All this 'new hard to explain' feature stuff is BEGGING for an instructional video and/or walk thru of trhe new features.

We have this fabulous vga, screen capture, auto stream, convert power, PLEASE, someone at Newtek (or an approved Beta tester) sit down, go thru the new stuff and post it on Youtube or the Newtek site.

I'm not really getting any of this new live stuff, and if I am going to convince the boss to upgrade all the systems at the new prices I am REALLY going to have to sell it to him.

Jim

Jim,

My sincere apologies for any confusion, we are working hard on making things clearer, but given the scope of the changes I do understand what you are saying. I am not a marketing person, so I might not be the best person to explain it ... that said ... One way to graphically see the changes is to look at the TriCaster STUDIO flow diagram and compare it to the one from the TriCaster.

TriiCaster STUDIO http://www.newtek.com/tricaster/images/studio_flow_small.gif

And TriCaster
http://www.newtek.com/tricaster/images/pro_flow.gif

Now TriCaster is much like VT[4] was. TriCaster STUDIO is much closer (but less sophisticated) to VT[5] ... as you can see, every input into the system has a "Virtual Set Generator". In VT, there are 32 of these, one for every input patched on your switcher whether they are cameras, SDI or internal DDRs. These can do much more than just create Virtual Sets, they can take video from other inputs (not shown on the wiring diagram) and mix it into that input (e.g. over the shoulder shots, side-by-side box shots, virtual sets, ...), overlay and underlay graphics (e.g. titles, normal keying, borders, ...) and lots of other cool stuff (aspect ratio conversion, shadows, reflections, warps, etc...).

I hope this helps, if you have any questions, just drop me an email (across@newtek.com).

Andrew Cross, Ph.D
Senior VP of SW Engineering,
NewTek, www.newtek.com

[billmi]

as you can see, every input into the system has a "Virtual Set Generator". In VT, there are 32 of these, one for every input patched on your switcher whether they are cameras, SDI or internal DDRs. These can do much more than just create Virtual Sets, they can take video from other inputs (not shown on the wiring diagram) and mix it into that input (e.g. over the shoulder shots, side-by-side box shots, virtual sets, ...), overlay and underlay graphics (e.g. titles, normal keying, borders, ...) and lots of other cool stuff (aspect ratio conversion, shadows, reflections, warps, etc...).


As described, that sounds like instead of adding a second DSK, you added 32 virtual Mix/Effect busses.

[KHS-TV]

It is slightly hard to describe everything fully in a forum post, however I'll try :)

Basically effects can include warps of any kind of both the main layer (e.g. the talent) and the background (e.g. the over the shoulder graphic) so you would not need to manually position it. You use the third switcher bus to control what video source is being mapped into the background video source. Either video source can be any switcher input, including cameras or DDRs, etc...

Effects are not limited to virtual sets, but can also be dual-box shots, etc...

An effect can be set up on every input so you can transition between two effects freely.

(and in answer to one of the posts above.)
In addition, the CG and title templates can directly export one or many pages directly to effects, which in effect gives you an up-stream keying on every input source individually.

Andrew

Are there any limitations added by using the old VT[2] hardware?

[Matt Drabick]

Very impressive list of features with the VT[5]! Look forward to installing it on my two systems.

Matt Drabick,
DigiTek Systems
Raleigh, NC
919-790-5488

[Rich Deustachio]

Now Rich... Do you really expect any company you ask this question to to answer it with a "no"??? I think the better question would be WHEN will we have it...

Why not, if that is the real answer. Hell, they didn't even answer the non loaded questions I asked. :)

[m4a2000]

This still doesn't say what specs(RAM, harddrive, ect.) my VT4 has to have for the upgrade... When can we get this list?

[Paul Lara]

You can find the hardware requirements HERE (http://www.newtek.com/vt/requirements.php)

This still doesn't say what specs(RAM, harddrive, ect.) my VT4 has to have for the upgrade... When can we get this list?

[Matt Drabick]

Paul, what are the system requirements for VT[5]?

Matt Drabick,
DigiTek Systems
Raleigh, NC
919-790-5488

[Tony R]

Well, at least my Dual Xeon 3.4Ghz\4GB DDR2\4x Cheetah 10,000RPM SCSI drives still meet or exceed the minimun requirements. Whew! I'm glad I went all out last time in 2005.

Is there any advantage to using a VT5 card over my old VT2 card aside from 4 channel audio?

Tony

[Paul Lara]

Is there any advantage to using a VT5 card over my old VT2 card aside from 4 channel audio?

Yes, the VT33 card only has two video circuits, where the VT PRO card (which began shipping with VT[4]) has three. For example, The VT PRO card makes it possible to have a double-box 2-shot, and still do a DVE away to another source. Using an older card with virtual sets will limit what you can do.

[timtobrien]

I am a home recreational user so this is a huge price... I will be hard pressed to justlfy this to the Wife unit just for my hobby so I need more ammo...

I Currently have a VT33 board running V4.6 with Lightwave 8...

If I spend the money to upgrade do I get:

a new board ?
LW 9.3?
SpeedEdit?
Will there be Vista Drivers released for the V4.6 (Please!)?

Thanks for any information on this...

:lwicon:

[KHS-TV]

Yes, the VT33 card only has two video circuits, where the VT PRO card (which began shipping with VT[4]) has three. For example, The VT PRO card makes it possible to have a double-box 2-shot, and still do a DVE away to another source. Using an older card with virtual sets will limit what you can do.

OK, so you can't use a DVE to switch away, but if there are only two video channels, does that mean you can't even cut away to another SX-8 source since you have no video channel available for preview? Is it even possible to do a double-box 2-shot with VT[2] hardware and an SX-8? With VT[4] hardware and an SX-8? How much does it cost to upgrade just the hardware?

EDIT: How much does it cost for education? I can't find a stand-alone hardware price, nor can I find any education upgrade prices which include hardware of any kind.

[KHS-TV]

This still doesn't say what specs(RAM, harddrive, ect.) my VT4 has to have for the upgrade... When can we get this list?

They've been on the web site for a while. See http://www.newtek.com/vt/requirements.php

[billpana]

Paul, would we see a big performance boost running this on Windows XP 64bit vs 32bit?

[ScorpioProd]

Bill, I've read nothing to suggest VT[5] has 64-bit drivers. Does it?

[Jim_C]

Bill, I've read nothing to suggest VT[5] has 64-bit drivers. Does it?


yea, it's in the .pdf.

64 bit for both XP and Vista

:thumbsup:

[ScorpioProd]

Oh, OK, cool. I didn't see it in the press release.

[m4a2000]

They've been on the web site for a while. See http://www.newtek.com/vt/requirements.php
Sorry, but that doesn't really help. I know I have the CPU power, harddrive space, but I'm not sure about the RAM... I might as well get it upgraded to 6Gigs...

[Paul Lara]

1Gig of ram is sufficient for live production and editing. If you intend to edit HD clips, you should upgrade to 2Gigs RAM. I think 6 Gigs is overkill.

[KSTAR]

1Gig of ram is sufficient for live production and editing. If you intend to edit HD clips, you should upgrade to 2Gigs RAM. I think 6 Gigs is overkill.

Not for us VT/Lightwavers :tongue:

[Rich Deustachio]

[I]

I'd be happy to elaborate on any of the features for you,

Paul


I'll try again.

AVI Wrapper supports TMPGenc?

Project backup tool, how does this work, does it just save the parts of the video clips used?

Please let us know if the slo-motion is being worked on for future patches.

[Tony R]

I already asked the slo mo question a few times this week and it has not been addressed. It doesnt mean they arent working on it, but it doesnt mean that they are. Bummer!

Tony

[Seti Orion]

So I need to know

Is there support for TMPGenc in VT5?

Need we open VTP files in TMPGenc with VT5

Paul any word?

[rsullivan]

You can find the hardware requirements HERE (http://www.newtek.com/vt/requirements.php)

Hi Paul, this link takes me to the VT4 requirements, not VT5. With all that's going on in the upgrade, including the graphics card, I'm skeptical about the VT4 requirements making the grade.

Also, in the initial features document, there is no mention of RTV. Is this format a dead horse?8~

Thanks,

Rick Sullivan

[Paul Lara]

I'll try again.

Sorry, Rich, didn't mean to overlook you, with your hand raised like that. :foreheads

AVI Wrapper supports TMPGenc?

Certainly.

Project backup tool, how does this work, does it just save the parts of the video clips used?

I will get back to you on this one, Rich.


Please let us know if the slo-motion is being worked on for future patches.

I will let you know if I find out anything on this as well.

Paul

[Paul Lara]

Hi Paul, this link takes me to the VT4 requirements, not VT5.

If you'l re-read that page, it has specified VT[5] for quite some time. No need to be sceptical, Rick, those really ARE the hardware specs, though I will add the caveat that you need the VT PRO card to access the third video channel on the card and fully utilize the LiveSet technology.

Also, in the initial features document, there is no mention of RTV. Is this format a dead horse? 8~



Negative. That horse is rounding the quarter-post, and looks quite healthy.
RTV is as clean an uncompressed format as you could ever hope for, so the ability to capture, edit and render to RTV remains in VT[5].

[Rich Deustachio]

Thanks for the reply Paul :)

[rsullivan]

All good news! Thanks Paul:)

[Scott Bates]

If you'l re-read that page, it has specified VT[5] for quite some time.I think the problem is that people are only seeing the first VT[4] line and not "the small print" in the forth line referring to VT[5]. It might help to make that text a nice italic, bolded RED then maybe you wouldn't have to keep re-directing us back there. :D

Recommended VT[4] System Configuration*

NewTek is providing free software upgrades for VT[5], when it ships, to all VT[4] purchases after February 1, 2006
Recommended VT[5] System Configuration*

[Paul Lara]

I think the problem is that people are only seeing the first VT[4] line and not "the small print" in the forth line referring to VT[5]. It might help to clarify that.


I'll change that to read VT[4] & VT[5] Specifications instead.

Thanks, Scott.

[Paul Lara]

Project backup tool, how does this work, does it just save the parts of the video clips used?

It can't destructively trim files, Rich, since there are so many variables to deal with (DV vs. HDV, avi vs. MPEG-2, etc). It will only backup the clips actually used in your project, and it will create a new project in the root of your destination with all assets in subfolders beneath it. That means you will be able to drag this folder to any other system, and load the project right back up without having to perform a 'Find Files'.

Paul

[m4a2000]

Not for us VT/Lightwavers :tongue:
You're right about that. We do live news cast, live sporting events, and use Lighwave + 3DA. We have 2 Gigs already and I would love to have 6, but I think my boss will only let me get it up to 3.

[Paul Lara]

Well, for LightWave and Aura, more memory is a good thing, but for live production, anything beyond 1Gig is unnecessary.

[SBowie]

It can't destructively trim files, Rich, since there are so many variables to deal with (DV vs. HDV, avi vs. MPEG-2, etc). It will only backup the clips actually used in your project, and it will create a new project in the root of your destination with all assets in subfolders beneath it.Nice. I'd like to suggest too though that a space-saving variant of this archival tool be considered for the future:

It would work in similar fashion, but 1) render 'segments actually used in the project' to SpeedHQ files, adding a user-defined pre/post pad, and 2) create and save a suitably modifed project file with a new name.

[hairudon]

ive got a new rig coming for VT5, since there is vista support what version of vista would be best? (going 64 bit for efficiency)
should i stick with business, the all around guy?

[inquisitive]

When will the list of differences between vt4 and vt5 will be posted? or maybe it has been posted and I just dont see it?

[Paul Lara]

When will the list of differences between vt4 and vt5 will be posted? or maybe it has been posted and I just dont see it?

Look at the top of this thread. ALL of the features in the linked PDF are new to VT[5].

[gymcoach]

Is all of VT% 64 bit or will it just run on a 64 bit os in a 32bit mode?

[Paul Lara]

Is all of VT[5] 64-bit or will it just run on a 64 bit OS in a 32bit mode?

It runs on 64-bit. We do take advantage of the higher memory addresses, though, and can utilize up to 4Gigs of RAM.

[robewil]

It runs on 64-bit. We do take advantage of the higher memory addresses, though, and can utilize up to 4Gigs of RAM.It's kind of interesting that you wrote that Paul, considering that earlier, you wrote that anything above 1GB is unnecessary.

[rsullivan]

While we're on the topic of 64 bit apps, will VT5 ship with 64 bit Lightwave 9.2? :lightwave

Rick Sullivan

[SBowie]

Evidently not. Word is one can buy a dongled upgrade, but 9.x is not a freebie.

[Jim_C]

It's kind of interesting that you wrote that Paul, considering that earlier, you wrote that anything above 1GB is unnecessary.


Wow, troll bait much?

[SBowie]

Maybe the statement, in context and at the time, was perfectly valid ... but with the SE being included in VT[5], surely more RAM can be put to good use.

[Paul Lara]

It's kind of interesting that you wrote that Paul, considering that earlier, you wrote that anything above 1GB is unnecessary.

Allow me to elaborate, Rob...

For live switching, going above 1Gig makes little difference.
TriCaster, TriCaster PRO and TriCaster STUDIO all ship with 1Gig of RAM.

Now, if you're going to dive deep in post proudction, with HD edtining, 3D animation, and especially RAM-hungry Aura video painting, then 4Gigs would be a wonderful thing.

[billpana]

So Paul running VT[5] on 64bit XP or Vista is the best route to take for top performance? Is all of it 64bit?

[Paul Lara]

Sure; why not.

[robewil]

Allow me to elaborate, Rob...

For live switching, going above 1Gig makes little difference.
TriCaster, TriCaster PRO and TriCaster STUDIO all ship with 1Gig of RAM.

Now, if you're going to dive deep in post proudction, with HD edtining, 3D animation, and especially RAM-hungry Aura video painting, then 4Gigs would be a wonderful thing.I understand what you meant Paul and I wasn't trying to antagonize you. However, I also understand that Lightwave is not really part of the VT[5] suite any more so strictly speaking, the only parts of VT[5] that could take advantage of more than one GB of RAM are SpeedEdit and Aura.

[gcj_triplem]

the PDF brochure on the NT Europe site lists virtual sets and constuctor as options on the VT5 rather than as standard.

Does this mean that we not have access to the new 'per input' key bus for live productions?

[SBowie]

I think you can quite safely assume it should read "feature" rather than "option."

[gcj_triplem]

i hope so. Its on the graphic comparison matrix http://www.newtek-europe.com/pdf/vt5_uk.pdf

[Rich Deustachio]

OK I want a NewTek clarification on this Lightwave issue. When I preordered VT5 way back when, I was told and so were others at the time, that VT5 was going to come with Lightwave 8.5. They said not the newer version 9.0, but the older version which was 8.5. I currently have 7.5 and at the time was pleased to see I was getting 8.5 even though it was one step down from the newest version.

Now I am reading that VT5 doesn't come with Lightwave at all! How can you change the deal from then when it included 8.5 to now it includes nothing? All after having us wait all this time for VT5. Not only is this a slap in the face, it's sounds illegal.

[Zane Condren]

Everyone that pre-ordered VT5 will get the verison of LightWave they ordered.

[Jim_C]

Everyone that pre-ordered VT5 will get the verison of LightWave they ordered.

Thats' Great!! :thumbsup:

and

That Sucks !!! :thumbsdow

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VTNT/message/107063


:)

[billmi]

Since LW will be tied to an LW dongle instead of the VT in this release, that means we can take advantage of LW upgrades though. I just looked online and saw a price that was less than $400, and said to call for a lower price (I assume the price listed was MAP) so getting to 9 for the LiveSet work, shouldn't be too difficult.

[Rich Deustachio]

Everyone that pre-ordered VT5 will get the verison of LightWave they ordered.


Ok, I feel better now....whew! Thank you for clearing that up.

[jhogarty]

My understanding then is, to fully utilize VT(5), I would need to get the Hardware + Software upgrade option ($2449.) My computer hardware is kinda outdated, so a new PC with Vista64 (or XP64) would also need to be considered.

What would I be getting, or giving up, if I went with a Tricaster Studio instead of re-building my VT(x) box? If I throw in the SX-84 to my upgrade, I'm pretty much at the price, if not higher, than that of the Tricaster Studio.

J.

[rzick]

Sorry if this question has already been answered, but I couldn't find anything difinitive: Will VT5 come with it's own DVD Authoring Tool or is a 3rd Party app being bundled with it?

Is there any way I could see or get a description of it's DVD Authoring capabilities?

Thanks,

RZick
WTBTS
Brooklyn, NY

[Paul Lara]

VT[5] comes with DVD Workshop 2 SE, Rick.

[kleima]

Jhogarty,

You would give up some flexibility in adding/upgrading hardware, like more harddrives, and the ability to have other programs installed on the same system, by going to TriCaster Studio.
You would gain incredible portability - most VT[5] systems are going to be a lot larger and heavier.
There may be a few post features in VT[5], not in TriCaster Studio, but I'm not sure on this. Maybe someone else can chime in here.
Oh, yeah, one other obvious thing you would loose with TriCaster is the ability to use uncompressed RTV's. So, it depends on your needs/workflow as to which would be better.

[jedbarish]

In the PDF at Newtek UK show SX-SDI switcher expansion module being available for VT5 so will I be able to use it instead SX-8. It will help most of us to carry lighter load of VT5 anywhere!

[Zane Condren]

The SX-SDI requires an SX-84 to be in the loop.

[Tarheel Cougar]

About the live individual input effects coming in VT5...

I presume these effects are PIP's, CG pages, etc. that will be tied to a single switcher input?

Will these effects be something that can be changed on the fly, such as quickly repositioning a PIP box? Can they be applied to multiple inputs like a DSK? As usual, I'm thinking of our sports applications, we use Bob's 3rd channel to insert a PIP box downstream of a camera pointed at the scoreboard clock. Sometimes, the camera is inadvertently bumped and the box needs to be repositioned quickly on the screen, no problem with the plugin. Obviously we would want the box to stay live and in the same place when switching cameras. Is this plugin something the new "upstream" individual effects can replace? Our only problem with Bob's plugin is not being able to use any other DSK's at the same time, such as CG pages, because of VT4 limitations. What kind of improvements in this area can we expect when VT5 comes along?

[SBowie]

I presume these effects are PIP's, CG pages, etc. that will be tied to a single switcher input?If you take a look at the LiveSet stuff in TC-Studio (there must be videos online somewhere guys?), this will give you a fairly good impression of what to expect.


Will these effects be something that can be changed on the fly, such as quickly repositioning a PIP box?Well, no - not in the way that you mean.

Any given LiveSet has a certain number of pre-assigned channels for live video, in addition to whatever static graphic elements it may include. Typically, a LiveSet that is prepared for two live video inputs will be configured to use the current input set on the Switcher's Main row, and the one set on the FX row (new in TC-S, coming soon to VT.) You can set up any Switcher source with a LiveSet effect, and switch between these pre-configured sources - but the onscreen positions of elements in any LiveSet is fixed.

So, you could switch to a different source on Main which has a PIP set up in a different position - but you can't interactively change the position of the PIP in an effect. I hope I'm clear enough, this is tricky to word.


Can they be applied to multiple inputs like a DSK?The current LiveSet creation tool is limited to a single live input, taken from Main. Once more powerful tools make it possible to use Aura or LW to create these, you will be able to add secondary sources, and even multiple sources (presuming, I expect, that your system can handle the bandwidth of multiple streams.)

The specific supplementary sources are effectively 'hard-wired' into the LiveSet effect. Typically, as I wrote above, the second channel would come from the FX row, but this is up to the designer of the effect. The DSK is a valid input option, as is Preview.

For example: throughput considerations aside, you should be able to build a custom LiveSet with 3 PIPs over the Main source - one from each of the DSK, FX and Preview.


Sometimes, the camera is inadvertently bumped and the box needs to be repositioned quickly on the screen, no problem with the plugin. Obviously we would want the box to stay live and in the same place when switching cameras.LiveSet elements, as explained above, cannot be interactively repositioned. For the situation you describe, your only option would be to reposition the camera.


Our only problem with Bob's plugin is not being able to use any other DSK's at the same time, such as CG pages, because of VT4 limitations. What kind of improvements in this area can we expect when VT5 comes along?
You can use the DSK to overlay other imagery on the combined result of a source that has a LiveSet effect enabled.

[lwaddict]

All good. But when?

I can't believe I'm getting this excited over this again...
I'd put it outta my mind for so long.

What would it cost me to just upgrade the hardware? Just the card?
Already paid for the software but sounds like the card might be a good thing tah boot, yah?

[Paul Lara]

All good. But when?

quite soon.

What would it cost me to just upgrade the hardware? Just the card?

A swap of your VT 33 card for the VT PRO card is $1995.

[Videonut]

VT[5] comes with DVD Workshop 2 SE, Rick.

It seems a bit strange that the DVD authoring program is not HD capable. Unless I am mistaken, Ulead does not have any HD updates available. Does Newtek have any plans to update the authoring program?

[ScorpioProd]

It seems a bit strange that the DVD authoring program is not HD capable. Unless I am mistaken, Ulead does not have any HD updates available. Does Newtek have any plans to update the authoring program?
It's not really that strange.

Sony Vegas Pro 8 just came out with DVD Architect 4.5, and it can't author in HD. And after all, Sony invented Blu-Ray.

Ulead (now Corel) doesn't appear to be making "professional" programs like DVD Workshop 2 anymore, but in their consumer line, they do have a HD-DVD authoring program available. And Roxio makes a Blu-Ray authoring program. And one of the two of those just added support for the other format as well.

Hopefully affordable professional HD-DVD and Blu-Ray authoring programs will be coming along in the next year and Newtek will be able to bundle them with future VTs.

[stargatesg1]

quite soon.



A swap of your VT 33 card for the VT PRO card is $1995.

SO you would have to pay:
1995 new vt pro card
then
1495 for software update?

CJ

[Zane Condren]

SO you would have to pay:
1995 new vt pro card
then
1495 for software update?

CJ


No, The VT Hardware trade-in includes a free upgrade to VT[5].

[stargatesg1]

WOW I just wrote that! Your fast Zane
Hmm That rocks.. Can someone explain to me what im missing by not using the vt-pro.. I saw what was said above though it wasn't too clear.
Am i assuming you can only do a hard cut between virtual set keyed cameras?
and not use any overlay / dve ? right now when we try and switch the key drops. Im assuming its the same with the new one if you don't have that 3rd fx bus on the card?
other then that and 4channel audio anything else?

[stargatesg1]

Eeeps hmm do i need the sx84 too ? or just the vt pro with sx8

[Paul Lara]

Can someone explain to me what im missing by not using the VT PRO...

Short version: if you intend to utilize VT[5] live virtual sets, you need the VT PRO card.

[gymcoach]

do you need the sx-84 or can you still do it with the pro card and the sx-8?

[Paul Lara]

You can use the SX-8 for virtual sets, coach.
The required component is the third video channel on the VT PRO card.

[KHS-TV]

No, The VT Hardware trade-in includes a free upgrade to VT[5].

Any kind of academic discount that might possibly help out a certain high school TV studio that already has the software upgrade but might want to upgrade the VT card to get the third video channel? :bowdown:

:D

[mixmasterwes]

Any kind of academic discount that might possibly help out a certain high school TV studio that already has the software upgrade but might want to upgrade the VT card to get the third video channel? :bowdown:

:D

I too would like to upgrade to the VT Pro card only, any special pricing would be appreciated. :D

Also, are there any motherboards out there with a PCIe & 66MHz PCI you can recommended?

Thank's Newtek for all the hard work!! :)

[Zane Condren]

Please contact me directly at zane@newtek.com or 210-370-8204.

[KSTAR]

What about those who preordered VT5 who want to upgrade to a VT Pro card? The current $1,995.00 with a free VT5 software upgrade, doesn't mean anything to us. We have already paid for the software upgrade a long time ago. Is there any VT Pro card trade in discount for us early adopters?

[Paul Lara]

What about those who preordered VT5 who want to upgrade to a VT Pro card?

Kevin,
Unfortunately, we do not have a separate sales SKU for JUST the hardware.
The $1995 trade-in offer is not only a bargain, it is a bargain that is about to expire. The trade-in price goes to $2495 next week, so if you have been considering a trade-up to VT PRO, now would be the best time.

[PIZAZZ]

What about those who preordered VT5 who want to upgrade to a VT Pro card? The current $1,995.00 with a free VT5 software upgrade, doesn't mean anything to us. We have already paid for the software upgrade a long time ago. Is there any VT Pro card trade in discount for us early adopters?

Maybe your dealer could work with you on it.

I just did the same for one of my clients.

[KHS-TV]

Kevin,
Unfortunately, we do not have a separate sales SKU for JUST the hardware.
The $1995 trade-in offer is not only a bargain, it is a bargain that is about to expire. The trade-in price goes to $2495 next week, so if you have been considering a trade-up to VT PRO, now would be the best time.

GAH! I opted to get only a new computer and the software upgrade back in June because there was no reason for KHS-TV to get the new hardware and I could redirect the rest of the money given to us towards additional equipment. Now it's turning out there *is* a reason to get the new hardware and not only would we have to repay for the software upgrade, but we'd also have to pay an increased price. We wouldn't even have a chance of securing any money for an additional upgrade until the end of the school year, so there's no chance of getting the upgrade before the price bumps up.

Man... I suppose there's arguments to be made on both sides regarding whether or not updates in yet-to-be-released software should be announced or not. I probably would've at least made an attempt to get the new hardware if I'd known this. :foreheads

[Tony R]

Couldnt you get a full refund on the software update and purchase the hardware? It shouldnt be a big deal on returning software you never even received yet. And whoever you bought it from will probably make out better since you will purchase the hardware which equals higher sales numbers.

At the very least, you could probably sell your software upgrade to someone else when you finally receive it. When you have the money in the budget, you could probably sell your current card to a new user and only pay the difference for the new upgrades.

Tony

[wvp]

Tony makes a very good point of how to do it.
And unfortunately for those wanting to upgrade the hardware (that already purchased the software) this is very good reason in the future to not pre-purchase upgrades from NT. I hate to say that, but we bought early and now find out that a huge change has been made and will require new hardware - not very fair. :(

[KHS-TV]

Couldnt you get a full refund on the software update and purchase the hardware? It shouldnt be a big deal on returning software you never even received yet. And whoever you bought it from will probably make out better since you will purchase the hardware which equals higher sales numbers.

At the very least, you could probably sell your software upgrade to someone else when you finally receive it. When you have the money in the budget, you could probably sell your current card to a new user and only pay the difference for the new upgrades.

Tony

That'd be great advice, except I received the software update back in June and have been using it since August. :( Also, doesn't the hardware upgrade require that you return your old card, meaning you can't resell it to lower the upgrade price?

(Just to clarify, I'm very happy with VT[4]! It's just I wish I had known that the new hardware would have such an important role in [5]...)

[mixmasterwes]

Kevin,
Unfortunately, we do not have a separate sales SKU for JUST the hardware.
The $1995 trade-in offer is not only a bargain, it is a bargain that is about to expire. The trade-in price goes to $2495 next week, so if you have been considering a trade-up to VT PRO, now would be the best time.

Hello Paul, Is it possible to extend till 2008? :help:

Thanks....

[Daniel Davis]

I am having a difficult time finding information regarding the VT Pro card and the upgrade price online. I too would like to see an extension of the trade in pricing. I prepurchased VT5 and now am faced with trying to see about merging that with a trade in to the VT Pro.

[Tony R]

That'd be great advice, except I received the software update back in June and have been using it since August. :( Also, doesn't the hardware upgrade require that you return your old card, meaning you can't resell it to lower the upgrade price?

How can you be using the software if it isnt released yet. You dont have VT5 yet, do you? But you are correct about the old card being traded in.

What I was saying was to use the VT5 upgrade and when you have the money, sell that VT5 software (thus, getting a good chunck of your money back) and then buy the hardware\software upgrade.

Tony

[SBowie]

How can you be using the software if it isnt released yet. You dont have VT5 yet, do you?Some have the VT[5] coming to them as part of a long ago special that included the VT[4] upgrade. Perhaps that's it.

[Tony R]

But he said he couldnt return it because he had the software back in June. How is that possible if that was before it was in Beta?

[SBowie]

But he said he couldnt return it because he had the software back in June. How is that possible if that was before it was in Beta?Because he may have (almost certainly did?) installed the VT[4] upgrade that the deal was based on.

[KHS-TV]

Because he may have (almost certainly did?) installed the VT[4] upgrade that the deal was based on.
Right on. We bought VT[4] in the period of time where you got VT[5] for free upon release.

[ScorpioProd]

Just to clarify, I'm very happy with VT[4]! It's just I wish I had known that the new hardware would have such an important role in [5]...

I'm sure Newtek wishes they new about the hardware requirements as well back then, but LiveSets wasn't thought of yet when the VT[5] upgrade was sold in spring 2006, for better or worse.

[cybis]

If I own the VT3, it sounds like it is $1995 to upgrade to VT5 software and VT Pro card. Is there any quick-reference info to help me decide whether I a) need a new card, and b) should also upgrade my SX-8 to the SX-84 (and what does this cost?)
It seems like a matrix would answer everyone's questions in here, including mine...

Thanks,
Jeff

[Jim_C]

Could someone please explain exactly what we will miss without the VTPro card re: the mentioned VSets defenciency?
Does that mean Virtual sets don't work at all? Work slower? Work the same but with limitations? Work the same but upside down?

Anything?

thanks
Jim

[SBowie]

As I understand it, it boils down to this - with the older (33mHz) card, forget about live switching multiple LiveSet-enabled sources. I am 99% certain this would also include no live switching between LiveMatte-enabled inputs.

However, if you are thinking that it might be useful to capture a LiveSet effect of a single source in realtime for post production purposes, the older card will do that (I confirmed this yesterday.) Of course, this prevents some creative things you might do even in a post setting.

[Jim_C]

Thank You Steve!

What would be really nice is if Newtek would extend the lower trade in price offer a week or so PAST the VT5 release. This would give those of us with the older cards a chance to play with it and see if we do need to upgrade or not.

Because unfortunately, even if I find out I have to, for $2500 bucks I can't.
I possibly could for $1500.

Thanks Again,
Jim

[ScorpioProd]

As I understand it, it boils down to this - with the older (33mHz) card, forget about live switching multiple LiveSet-enabled sources. I am 99% certain this would also include no live switching between LiveMatte-enabled inputs.
Well, I think there still needs to be Newtek clarification on this... If one isn't actually using THREE live inputs, it shouldn't be an issue... For instance, here's what Paul posted before:

"Yes, the VT33 card only has two video circuits, where the VT PRO card (which began shipping with VT[4]) has three. For example, The VT PRO card makes it possible to have a double-box 2-shot, and still do a DVE away to another source. Using an older card with virtual sets will limit what you can do."

That makes sense. But I don't remember any double-box 2-shots in the LiveSet demo at NAB, so I guess it depends how much one needs that capability.

Look at a "normal" LiveSet of an anchor at a desk with a live over-the-shoulder. OK, that's only using two live inputs. BUT, if you wanted to transition to a totally different live input, then you would need the VT Pro card. IF, you simply want to transition to the input already in the over-the-shoulder, which is frankly what one would typically do, you shouldn't need the VT-Pro card.

Remember, the actual LiveSets technology is software and not hardware, so the ONLY thing you are using that is only on the VT Pro card is the THIRD live input, WHEN needed.

So really, it's up to the user to decide if the limitation really applies to them or not and what limitations they can afford, either way.

Am I correct, Paul?

[SBowie]

Look at a "normal" LiveSet of an anchor at a desk with a live over-the-shoulder. OK, that's only using two live inputs. BUT, if you wanted to transition to a totally different live input, then you would need the VT Pro card. IF, you simply want to transition to the input already in the over-the-shoulder, which is frankly what one would typically do, you shouldn't need the VT-Pro card.That doesn't really contradict what I wrote, Eugene. One LiveSet should be ok, as I wrote - but no transitioning to another LiveSet enabled source ... similar for LiveMatte, so no smooth transtition from one keyed shot to another, for example.

[Jim_C]

Would the Liveset technology run slower on a computer with an early VT card than it would on the same computer with a Pro card?

thanks
Jim

[KHS-TV]

I'm sure Newtek wishes they new about the hardware requirements as well back then, but LiveSets wasn't thought of yet when the VT[5] upgrade was sold in spring 2006, for better or worse.

Eh... I bought [4] with the free [5] upgrade in June of this year. They already knew about LiveSets. They just didn't announce that the VT Pro card would have such an important role. *shrugs*

[KHS-TV]

Look at a "normal" LiveSet of an anchor at a desk with a live over-the-shoulder. OK, that's only using two live inputs. BUT, if you wanted to transition to a totally different live input, then you would need the VT Pro card. IF, you simply want to transition to the input already in the over-the-shoulder, which is frankly what one would typically do, you shouldn't need the VT-Pro card.

So that does work? That would make the old card usable for most things. Do you know this for sure Eugene?

[ScorpioProd]

So that does work? That would make the old card usable for most things. Do you know this for sure Eugene?
I don't know for sure, which is why I would like to hear Paul confirm this, but frankly, there is no reason I can think of that this shouldn't be the case.

Remember, a lot of people seem to give the VT Pro card undeserved credit for what is really going on. It's input and output, that's it, the rest is software, so the card shouldn't matter beyond that. Any "buses" used in the VT are software, not hardware, and have as much flexibility as Newtek decides to program into them.

It is rather surprising that this whole issue of needing a VT Pro card seems to have only occured in the last month. I don't remember it being brought up before then.

[SBowie]

I'm sure Paul will jump in here with comments first thing Moday - but as the current pricing changes TOMORROW, I asked some direct questions earlier.

I don't think someone whose principal realm is editing will be greatly inconvenienced if he/she only has the older card. But it does impose some limitations in a live switching setting. For example, switching directly from one LiveSet camera angle to another is reportedly out without the newer card.

[Ivan]

Now I am curious as well. If you have the original VT card do you get anything that you can't already purchase?

Virtual Sets (http://www.virtualsetworks.com/Virtual-Sets-Vol-6.htm)

What ever the case is are the bugs from 4.6 at least being addressed? Will Batch Capture actually work for DV? Will CG be updated or is CGPost the new direction with no more development planned for CG?

Ivan

[KHS-TV]

I'm sure Paul will jump in here with comments first thing Moday - but as the current pricing changes TOMORROW, I asked some direct questions earlier.

I don't think someone whose principal realm is editing will be greatly inconvenienced if he/she only has the older card. But it does impose some limitations in a live switching setting. For example, switching directly from one LiveSet camera angle to another is reportedly out without the newer card.

If your LiveSet angles only each use one live input, I would think (hope) that wouldn't be an issue. For example, if you've just got talent on a virtual set, you really should be able to do that. If you've got two live sources embedded in the LiveSet, though, that wouldn't work.

[KHS-TV]

It is rather surprising that this whole issue of needing a VT Pro card seems to have only occured in the last month. I don't remember it being brought up before then.

Paul wasn't saying the original VT card would cripple LiveSets before then. :)

[SBowie]

If your LiveSet angles only each use one live input, I would think (hope) that wouldn't be an issue. For example, if you've just got talent on a virtual set, you really should be able to do that. If you've got two live sources embedded in the LiveSet, though, that wouldn't work.I'm not sure, honestly, there are a lot of variables. To some degree, other system limitations may kick in as well, producing some 'diversity' in what people experience. I think it's safe to say one LS-enabled source should work - beyond that, I'm unwilling to guess.

[SBowie]

Now I am curious as well. If you have the original VT card do you get anything that you can't already purchase?

Virtual Sets (http://www.virtualsetworks.com/Virtual-Sets-Vol-6.htm)Do those sets permit a foreground (beyond the DSK)? IF not, then yes.

[ScorpioProd]

beyond that, I'm unwilling to guess.
But that's the point, prospective users shouldn't need to GUESS.

Any company selling a product at these price points should be providing a matrix of EXACTLY what it can and can't do with which card.

And frankly, they should be doing it way before now for something with a price increase happening tomorrow.

[kleima]

Steve,

You are not correct about not being able to transition between to live set enabled inputs. It will do this on the older card, and you can put an effect or other input onto one of the virtual monitors at the same time, however, you cannot put two inputs onto two virtual monitors.

[Jim_C]

Any company selling a product at these price points should be providing a matrix of EXACTLY what it can and can't do with which card.


To be honest, I am still trying to figure out what the f^ck these Virtual Sets even are!!!....
Here there is a $1000(!) increase tomorrow on a product with zilch promotion or demonstration or examples for us to even look at.

If I am wrong, someone please correct me, and if I am then I am sorry for this rant, but I just looked on the Newtek web page and I can not find a single video, screen shot, tutorial, demo, tease, or detailed description what it is they even want us to fork out so much money for.

There are a few press releases (that you have to go off site to even view) talking about Virtual Sets, but that's it. At least that is all I could find.

I said this same thing about 2 weeks ago, but if Newtek has really invented something as revolutionary as what they say, shouldn't they be teasing the hell out of it all over the place.
Little clips and snippets of the magic in action to get people's interest piqued?

Don't they realize they need to show it to us before they expect us to buy it?

We have a bunch of VT4s at work, but the chance for us to upgrade to VT5 is now gone with that the cost being at the price it is now, and I have no real ammo or information to go into the boss with to explain what he would be paying for. A description in a 4 paragraph press release doesn't cut it with him. He wants to see proof and demonstration.

It just sucks, and makes me sad.. A VT upgrade worth getting excited about finally comes along and I watch Newtek price and non-market itself right out of my grasp.

ssiigghhhh... hope I'm wrong about the demo videos.....

Jim

[SBowie]

But that's the point, prospective users shouldn't need to GUESS.AS I wrote above, I think there are other variables beyond the card alone. Hence it may be difficult or even impossible to promise more than 'lowest common denominator' ability. I suspect that has been the case.

And frankly, they should be doing it way before now for something with a price increase happening tomorrow.I'd have been glad of an extension as well, but I'm not convinced a wait will clarify anything, because of the diversity mentioned above.

[SBowie]

Steve, You are not correct about not being able to transition between to live set enabled inputs.If I said anything more, someonone might assume I was in breach of an NDA. In fact, if I were under one, I would be in breach to say anything more than I have wouldn't I - since VT[5] has not been released.

That said I honestly think, as I wrote a moment ago, that no-one can state with any certainty what the universal limitations of the older card are. I suspect Paul's reply to me ("... 1-camera LiveSet...") reflects a 'safe guess' scenario. In my experience, I do not blame NewTek for not promising more, though perhaps it could be stated more explicitly and authoritatively.

[SBowie]

To be honest, I am still trying to figure out what the f^ck these Virtual Sets even are!!!....

Here there is a $1000(!) increase tomorrow on a product with zilch promotion or demonstration or examples for us to even look at.
Check the TriCaster links - I think there are likely some examples there, Jim.

As to the price increase, I wish it wasn't looming as well, but isn't it a $500 increase, not $1k? (As an aside, with the US$ in the tank, some actual costs may be rising, wouldn't surprise me.)

[Jim_C]

Thanks Steve,

Yea, I was wrong about the price. I thought it was 1500 to 2500, but it's 2000 to 2500. Sorry about that.

Jim

[Paul Lara]

Would the Liveset technology run slower on a computer with an early VT card than it would on the same computer with a Pro card?

Well, it won't run 'slower', Jim, but with the VT33 card, you are limited in the number of concurrent live images you have.

But, your question raises an important note:
If you are still running the computer you purchsed and installed, say, VT3 in you may not have the computer bandwidth to run more than one LiveSet channel. The bottleneck here is front-side bus speed. VT[5] requires a FSB speed of at least 800 MHz. Dual Xeon systems that are 4 to 5 years old will not have sufficient speed. The output will begin flashing between program & preview as it fails to keep up.

The good news is that any fairly recent computer has the requisite memory access.

[Demon8]

How much longer for the VT5 Release?????????????????????????????

[Paul Lara]

How much longer for the VT5 Release?????????????????????????????

Not.
Much.
Longer.

[Jim_C]

Thanks Paul,

I REALLY appreciate your answer.
The problem is... I have no idea what a LiveSet Channel is. I have no idea how LiveSets work. I mostly do post, so I have no idea how LiveSets affect me or what if anything they give me as a post tool. I have no idea.

Do any you guys reading this know what all the LiveSet stuff means and how it works? If so, how did you find out? PLEASE fill me in!

Paying 500 sight unseen oh so long ago for VT5 was not that bad. I at least knew Speed Edit would be in VT and that was worth 500 to me.
Paying 2 grand now for somethinng I don't understand at all and have no place to even see a screen shot or demo is asking too much. From me at least.

I have not looked at the Tricaster videos, so I am sure I will learn something there, but I had to ask on a internet forum to be directed to any real video even pertaining to VT5 and it's functions.

If Newtek is pulled too thin to have somone make some demo or marketing videos, sign me up for Beta, let me borrow a VTPro card for a couple months, and I will do nothing but screen cap demo videos and/or screen shots to start showing/teasing people. :) Ive got a badly busted knee, am working strictly out of this chair and am not going anywhere for awhile. :/

Thanks again,
Jim

[PIZAZZ]

Thanks Paul,

I REALLY appreciate your answer.
The problem is... I have no idea what a LiveSet Channel is. I have no idea how LiveSets work. I mostly do post, so I have no idea how LiveSets affect me or what if anything they give me as a post tool. I have no idea.

Do any you guys reading this know what all the LiveSet stuff means and how it works? If so, how did you find out? PLEASE fill me in!

Paying 500 sight unseen oh so long ago for VT5 was not that bad. I at least knew Speed Edit would be in VT and that was worth 500 to me.
Paying 2 grand now for somethinng I don't understand at all and have no place to even see a screen shot or demo is asking too much. From me at least.

I have not looked at the Tricaster videos, so I am sure I will learn something there, but I had to ask on a internet forum to be directed to any real video even pertaining to VT5 and it's functions.

If Newtek is pulled too thin to have somone make some demo or marketing videos, sign me up for Beta, let me borrow a VTPro card for a couple months, and I will do nothing but screen cap demo videos and/or screen shots to start showing/teasing people. :) Ive got a badly busted knee, am working strictly out of this chair and am not going anywhere for awhile. :/

Thanks again,
Jim


in MY opinion...

For post users the hardware upgrade might not be necessary.

For LIVE users then the hardware upgrade would be a really GOOD thing and I strongly recommend upgrading to maximize what you will be able to do with LiveSets.

just my opinion of course. :)


If you plan on doing lots of LiveSet work and you have always dreamed of multiple text overlays in live switching then.... upgrade your card before the price increases $500 tomorrow.

A VT2 or VT3 card will work with LiveSets but you will be MUCH MUCH happier with a VTPro card. With a VTPro card you will be able to use the software without limitations as it the software was designed.

Upgrading the card will benefit those that are heavily involved with Live Switching.

[SBowie]

in MY opinion...

For post users the hardware upgrade might not be necessary.

For LIVE users then the hardware upgrade would be a really GOOD thing and I strongly recommend upgrading to maximize what you will be able to do with LiveSets.Exactly what I wrote above.

[m4a2000]

OK, form what I was told today, October 15th 2007, was the release of VT5. I went to my download section and did not see it, I read the post here and my mind feels like it has gone through a frying pan, and there is nothing new that I can find. My boss wants this update ASAP in hopes it will fix errors we have been having with the VT4 (Lost recalls, freezes, crashes). This might seem like a rant, but I am trying not to. Is there a chance to get some straight answer soon?

[kleima]

Steve,

What I said was posted by Paul earlier in this thread:

Yes, the VT33 card only has two video circuits, where the VT PRO card (which began shipping with VT[4]) has three. For example, The VT PRO card makes it possible to have a double-box 2-shot, and still do a DVE away to another source. Using an older card with virtual sets will limit what you can do.

[KHS-TV]

If you plan on doing lots of LiveSet work and you have always dreamed of multiple text overlays in live switching then.... upgrade your card before the price increases $500 tomorrow.

Uhhh... I don't understand. Why would I not be able to do multiple text overlays with the old card? Those aren't hardware sources. Text is software-generated.

Here's what I really want to know. Computer hardware's not an issue - our computer was new in June and is a dual Xeon Precision:

Can I have two live sources in a virtual set, then put one of those embedded sources on preview and use a DVE or a hard cut to switch to that raw input with the VT[2] card?
Can I use a DVE do a hard cut between live sets if each live set only has one live source embedded in it using the VT[2] card?


As for us upgrading the hardware, there's no chance of having the money until June, even though we heavily use the live switching portion of VT.

[wvp]

I've been staying mostly quiet about the upgrades as frankly, I'm tired of it.
I've got THREE upgrades from VT4 to VT5 w/SpeedEdit copies PAID FOR. They have been paid since June of 2006 on the faith that what I paid for would be delivered.

The product (VT5) is still not here. Only after much pleading is there an official list of features. Unfortunately, their is no demo, screen shots or details on what / how some of these features work or why one might use them. I understand what a virtual set is but I have yet to understand, FROM NEWTEK if LiveSets are identical or better and only reading Paul's last post does one learn of the importance / need of a 800mhz FSB.

NEWTEK -- I don't understand how you hope to stay in business. If I was a potential new customer, other than a press release or two, I cannot find ANY reference to your VT5 system, features or system requirements on your web site. (Yes, I know read the specs for a VT4 - but a NEW person would not know this). A new person would likely leave your site if they are looking for info on VT5. A new person is not likely to troll through a message board hoping for information the company won't even put on its web pages.

As a CURRENT USER I have to agree totally with Jim... I'm not paying 1 cent to upgrade ANYTHING from Newtek at this point. A) Because I've lost faith on when I will get it. B) If I don't understand WHY I should upgrade. Its great that if I want to upgrade from VT3 to VT4 I have a chart comparing the two, but it would certainly help your sales if you added a third column listing VT5.

Oh by the way, least you editors think the Pro card is not needed for LiveSets - I copied this from the VT4 specs page:
For Hi Definition editing, Maximum usage of VT[5] LiveSet(tm) technology requires a VT PRO card...

and by the way, it's after business hours on the 15th of October and according to Newtek's web site yo can upgrade your hardware for $1995:
"VT[4]™ Upgrade from VT[x] Hardware Trade-In (with VT[4] Software) $ 1,995.00" :)

[steveg]

I am becoming quite confused. Let me see if I have this straight. I paid for my VT5 upgrade in June 2006. Then in the beginning of 2007 I was told that the upgrade that I paid for was delayed because there was a breakthrough and by waiting longer I would be able to use virtual sets, and that it would be worth the wait. Now I am being told that I can not use virtual sets unless I pay another $1995. in order to use the same virtual sets that someone who upgrades today will pay without being out their money for a year and a half. Am I right in thinking this is very unfair.

[Jim_C]

Uhhh... I don't understand. Why would I not be able to do multiple text overlays with the old card? Those aren't hardware sources. Text is software-generated.


I 'think' he is referring to multiple live DSKs. Multiple grfx on screen.

I think.

[PIZAZZ]

I 'think' he is referring to multiple live DSKs. Multiple grfx on screen.

I think.


That is correct Jim. Not just Downstream Keys anymore but also Upstream Keys tied to each input. Title Template "exportion" from the CG Designer allows for some really powerful titling capabilities for those doing live broadcasts. The "405 Traffic Cam" input will always have the correct overlay now without having to change the DSK layer. A commonly asked for feature was to have a Station ID Bug and a graphic layer up at the same time. That is now easily possible.

[Jim_C]

Picking up on a point brought up earlier....

If in 2 weeks, a month, I decide to upgrade to VTPro, it will be $2495 then, plus the $500 I prepaid equaling $3000...?? Correct?

And in 2 weeks a VT4 non-pro user who did not pre order, can also upgrade to a VTPro card and VT5 for $2500...? $500 less...?

Shouldn't every pre-order person have a non expiring $1995 price? Otherwise it costs us $500 more for having faith.

I may be missing fine print tho, cause shirley that does not seem right.

Thanks again for any info...
Jim

[KHS-TV]

That is correct Jim. Not just Downstream Keys anymore but also Upstream Keys tied to each input. Title Template "exportion" from the CG Designer allows for some really powerful titling capabilities for those doing live broadcasts. The "405 Traffic Cam" input will always have the correct overlay now without having to change the DSK layer. A commonly asked for feature was to have a Station ID Bug and a graphic layer up at the same time. That is now easily possible.

To be clear, though, I do not need a VT Pro card to do any of that, right? All of that stuff deals with computer-generated sources, so that shouldn't be relying on the I/O card at all. Also, I'd really appreciate it if you could answer these questions for me, Jef (or anybody else who knows!):


Can I have two live sources in a virtual set, then put one of those embedded sources on preview and use a DVE or a hard cut to switch to that raw input with the VT[2] card?
Can I use a DVE do a hard cut between live sets if each live set only has one live source embedded in it using the VT[2] card?


I'm sure lots of VT[2]/VT[3] upgraders would find that information useful.

[KHS-TV]

Picking up on a point brought up earlier....

If in 2 weeks, a month, I decide to upgrade to VTPro, it will be $2495 then, plus the $500 I prepaid equaling $3000...?? Correct?

And in 2 weeks a VT4 non-pro user who did not pre order, can also upgrade to a VTPro card and VT5 for $2500...? $500 less...?

Shouldn't every pre-order person have a non expiring $1995 price? Otherwise it costs us $500 more for having faith.

I may be missing fine print tho, cause shirley that does not seem right.

Thanks again for any info...
Jim

I second that. In fact, I think NewTek should create a new SKU for a hardware-only upgrade that takes into account the people who already paid for the software upgrade. That'd make the hardware upgrade ~$1,500 instead of $2,500 for people who already have the software. Fair, no?

[SBowie]

Steve,

What I said was posted by Paul earlier in this thread:

Originally Posted by Paul Lara
Yes, the VT33 card only has two video circuits, where the VT PRO card (which began shipping with VT[4]) has three. For example, The VT PRO card makes it possible to have a double-box 2-shot, and still do a DVE away to another source. Using an older card with virtual sets will limit what you can do.
I am not really clear how you arrive at the conclusion below from reading Paul's note above? I think you may be reading too much into it.

You are not correct about not being able to transition between to live set enabled inputs. It will do this on the older card, and you can put an effect or other input onto one of the virtual monitors at the same time, however, you cannot put two inputs onto two virtual monitors.
In his quote, Paul does not really state 'you can transition between two LiveSet enabled sources with the 33mHz card. ' I'd be glad if you could, but have seen nothing to support that conclusion. By contrast, I have been explicitly told not to count on it, and have other reasons for doubt.

I'm a conservative fellow. I opt for the safer bet, rather than have someone expect it will do so and then be disappointed. I think NewTek's comments have been made with a similar caution.

[Ivan]

I think NewTek's comments have been made with a similar caution.

I would have hoped that by now they could throw caution to the wind and tell us exactly what older cards can or cannot do and stop dancing. Isn't this about ready to ship?

Also there is no mention of any bug fixes for VT4 so far only Live Sets. Based on past performance I don't feel confident that any issues are being addressed for VT5 that existed in VT4 but rather time is being spent on Virtual Sets. Not a big deal, I just need a refund.

As for VT5 and picking up a Pro card, why? That card will never do HD. Put the money towards a Tricaster if you want to do that kind of work. At least you know you will have something that has the full attention of Newtek (at least for now).

Ivan

[SBowie]

Not a big deal, I just need a refund.You're asking in the wrong place then, Ivan. A community forum isn't in a position to grant that request, and it is a dead certainty NewTek won't consider a request here to have any standing.

Assuming you've not previously availed yourself of any part of the product purchase, a refund under these (lengthy) circumstances doesn't seem all that unreasonable imho. Maybe try approaching Sales, then let us know the result.

[Ivan]

You're right, that may have been a little out of line.

The more I think about it I think that if you are doing this kind of work and you have a VT3 card you will be better off going with a TriCaster than upgrading to the Pro Card. If you still have the VT3 card it is likely that you will need to upgrade your computer as well to take full advantage of the new features. At that point you could have your old VT and a new Tricaster couldn't you??

Ivan

[Tony R]

Some vailid complaints were posted here, especially by Steveg. It sounds like this Live Set stuff should have been used for VT6. If it were, we would have probably had VT5 in our hands earlier this year, since Newtek sites their groundbreaking virtual set technology as the exciting reason for the long delay.

Since many of us use VT4 only for editing and not for live shoots. This new technology should have been saved for VT[6], which should only be bundled with the new hardware. The way it is being done now is causing major delays for live virtual set features that many , if not most of us do not use.

SteveG made a valid point. We were told that the long wait was caused by the great discovery, which makes us feel better about the wait, and then find out that we really cannot fully utilize this technology without paying an additional $2500. So, most of us are waiting a lot longer for no good reason.

[SBowie]

Again, I agree with Jef that many editors might conclude that for them, the card swap may not represent the best option.

(Heck, even some of the live users may opt to keep that $2k on tap for the day when we an end-to-end HD live-switching solution arrives.)

[KHS-TV]

Since many of us use VT4 only for editing and not for live shoots. This new technology should have been saved for VT[6], which should only be bundled with the new hardware. The way it is being done now is causing major delays for live virtual set features that many , if not most of us do not use.

...but many more DO use it for live shoots. I'm very glad this was put in [5], and I'm equally glad [5] isn't technically forcing me to get new hardware. The whole idea behind VT for Windows was that you could get new software without having to always upgrade the hardware. VT[5] does not absolutely need to hardware, so why force people to get new hardware? I just wish NewTek would release the limitations introduced by using the old hardware.

What exactly would be ground-breaking and worth upgrading in [5] if they hadn't included LiveSet?

[Jim_C]

.What exactly would be ground-breaking and worth upgrading in [5] if they hadn't included LiveSet?

Hi-Def editing.
Not ground breaking in the scope of the industry I guess, but until I see LiveSets in real action , I am respectfully withholding my 'ground breaking' moniker there also.

But yea, Speed Edit in VT is a biggie for those who did not buy a separate SE.

[SBowie]

What exactly would be ground-breaking and worth upgrading in [5] if they hadn't included LiveSet?I'm sure there's a long list of new features and updates, but apart from the whole LiveSet thing, for some of use getting SpeedEdit into VT is a biggie - it gives us at least some sort of a beachead in the HD production realm, even though the hdwe. itself is limited to SD. It is a lot better than VT-Edit in many other ways, too.

This thread began with a partial list:

ftp://ftp.newtek.com/pub/VT5/VT5_Features.pdf

[KHS-TV]

I'm sure there's a long list of new features and updates, but apart from the whole LiveSet thing, for some of use getting SpeedEdit into VT is a biggie - it gives us at least some sort of a beachead in the HD production realm, even though the hdwe. itself is limited to SD. It is a lot better than VT-Edit in many other ways, too.

This thread began with a partial list:

ftp://ftp.newtek.com/pub/VT5/VT5_Features.pdf

Thanks for the link, though I have already seen it before. The majority of that list seems to be items generated by LiveSet and SpeedEDIT. There are a few other things such as better aspect ratio handling and QuickTime support in DDRs, but would those features really be worth paying $600 to get without LiveSet?

Having an entire product relying on having SpeedEDIT to get people to upgrade would've bombed; in fact, I remember many people complaining because the only new feature they knew about was SpeedEDIT. Like it or not SpeedEDIT is a post-production thing. Without LiveSet, VT[5] would've essentially been VT[4] with a new editor, giving no real live production enhancements. For those arguing that many VT users are editors and that LiveSet should've been pushed off to VT[6], SpeedEDIT is already available! If you only edit and want SpeedEDIT now, buy it! It even works with VT[4] now!

As for my use of the word ground-breaking, I meant in terms of VT features, not in terms of the industry as a whole. From what I've seen, LiveSet should let me do a lot more (though I don't know how much more because NewTek has yet to say exactly what limitations there are using a VT33 card with VT[5]...)

[SBowie]

(though I don't know how much more because NewTek has yet to say exactly what limitations there are using a VT33 card with VT[5]...)Someone should ask them. (Yikes - ducks and runs!) :D

[ScorpioProd]

Having an entire product relying on having SpeedEDIT to get people to upgrade would've bombed; in fact, I remember many people complaining because the only new feature they knew about was SpeedEDIT. Like it or not SpeedEDIT is a post-production thing. Without LiveSet, VT[5] would've essentially been VT[4] with a new editor, giving no real live production enhancements.

Though ironically, a number of people just in this thread alone seem to have done just that. Upgrading to VT[5] sight unseen, back in late spring of 2006, with the only promises that I recall being mentioned at NAB 2006 for VT[5] being SpeedEDIT and 2 DSKs. (And VT[5] is now back to one DSK, ironically enough.)

PT Barnum was a very wise man.

[mixmasterwes]

Does NewTek foresee the implementation of PCIe 2.0 bus as the future for the VT[x] card?

Just Curious! :vticon:

[KHS-TV]

Does NewTek foresee the implementation of PCIe 2.0 bus as the future for the VT[x] card?

Just Curious! :vticon:

Uhm... we can't even get what's in VT[5] out of NewTek, so I highly doubt anybody will be able to answer questions about VT[6]... ;)

[wvp]

I'm very thankful for the detailed features list that Paul posted on September 11, 2007.
As noted in that post:
[...I'll post a more detailed write-up of these features soon. ...
I don't recall seeing this detailed write up but more importantly I wish I could understand why a company is about to release a product, a product they feel is "revolutionary" in regards to these LiveSets, and obviously feels it will be so well received that a price increase for hardware will be accepted and yet offers virtually no information to the general public.
If you do not read these forums, if you are a potential customer, your access to Newteks products is a set of pages talking almost exclusively about VT4. The detailed feature list is ONLY available to people who read this forum. Specifications, system requirements, screen shots, demos of specific parts, comparisons for previous users...none of this is available on the main web site.
Should anyone at Newtek read this I think you should know that the lack of communication, lack of effort to promote/advertise (even just on your own site!) a product that due to ship, and the desire to focus on new features at the expense of resolving old, often requested issues is causing my company, a Newtek supporter for 17 years to seriously consider abandoning future upgrades.
Focusing on these items will likely cost less than what will be lost if just one customer leaves -but thats your choice.

[UnCommonGrafx]

I bought it sight-unseen.

I am unappreciative of the way it has gone, that things have changed to be less user focused and that fixes of long standing complaint aren't being touted as offerings of this upgrade as part of the above decisions.

SD is dead. Fixing what was broke would be the best thing to achieve with that which you are bored. Leaving it in this state is just antagonistic to long standing users; I am unwilling to be 'full of faith' that the tools will finally be finished off before the move to HD; and I wonder if the PIM guys could squeeze anything out of our beloved VT Hardware?

Jeff, many many good points. If you've read this far, read his last line and glance back here... It sure wouldn't have cost this kind of "political"/customer collateral to have fixed the more boring stuff. Hell, I'd be excited to have dves and stuff in use with overlays: that WOULD be an upgrade.

Alas, we are where we are. Ramblings from one of Barnums conceptually borne it would seem. :)

[NVentive]

Slightly different take --

We tend to go with an 'every other upgrade' philosophy here, we bought [5] sight unseen just because that's what we do here. And of course we wanted it last year...I'm nutso-impatient, and want everything ten minutes ago.
But still -- VT has been very, very good for us, and that gratis copy of SE hasn't exactly hurt us, either. We're not wealthy by any means, but we're doing pretty darn well, and it's the versatility of VT that is responsible for most of it. Just yesterday we delivered a job that had been dropped in our lap over the weekend as a big hairball 'please save us!' kind of repair thing. The ability to go from live-uncompressed studio capture to 'quick-fix that in Aura,' to 'throw it all together in SE,' got it done. The client was thrilled, the check will be here tomorrow, and no other system could have so easily done everything we did.
As for SD being dead, well.....yes and no. There are huge new markets opening up for iddie-biddie screens, SD is actually down-sampling for that. Sure, HD will let us all future-proof, but some projects (real estate, for instance) does not need future-proofing. We can take the SD equipment (that has already paid for itself) and keep it generating revenue.
So...sure -- we wanted everything last year. But what we have, however imperfect it may be, is working great for us, and Newtek (unlike many other companies) is trying hard to take good care of their customers. I'm otay with the delays. I'm not thrilled with the card situation, but hey-what other tech company offers you ANYTHING for your old stuff?

Yikes - I have rambled too long! I tend to do that.....

[kleima]

Well said, Stephen.

[mixmasterwes]

Uhm... we can't even get what's in VT[5] out of NewTek, so I highly doubt anybody will be able to answer questions about VT[6]... ;)

I understand! :agree: My reason for asking is if Newtek decided to change there bus type anytime in the near future It will not make sense for me to upgrade to the VT Pro card now. Though, it would be nice to have an option and see a more stream lined PCIe card than the old 66MHz PCI.

I plan to upgrade my motherboard and processor and I currently have 3 PCIe x1 cards that I need to use, there are not that many motherboards that I know of that support 66MHz PCI bus and the PCIe. I find that server type boards are too expensive and don’t have all the bells and whistles that I am accustomed to so, I like to stay with Intel LGA 775 type Processor and the motherboards for now.

Any Insight would be appreciated.:vticon:

[Safe Harbor]

Attention purchasers of the VT4 software upgrade (with free VT5 due to you) - you can buy the VT PRO card for $1495 until the end of October. This is a trade-in offer. Hopefully they'll extend this price out but as of now, this is the deal. If you're uncomfortable ordering hardware without knowing more details, we can hold your order (and not charge your card) until NewTek releases more info, and the price will remain the same as the day you order it. Just let us know when you order that you'd like it placed on hold.

http://www.sharbor.com/products/NTKN5010039.html

We too are waiting for a spec list from NewTek describing what functionality will be missing by NOT upgrading. Until they release that list, we can't answer questions any better than anyone else. I'm sure that NewTek is doing their best to get that information together and will disseminate it as soon as possible.

If you have any questions about the upgrade procedure, please don't hesitate to call us.

[kleima]

Is this only the card upgrade, and not the SX-84? Don't the new features of the card require the upgraded SX-84, also?
Didn't the original upgrade option for $1995 include VT[5], the new card and the new BOB (SX-84)?
Thanks for the generous offer, Safe Harbor; I'm just not sure I can take advantage of it right now, although I would like to.

The frustrating thing is: I would really like to do HD switching sometime soon. So, the question is, do I want to pay all this money to upgrade my hardware now, and then a few months down the road when Newtek releases VT[HD], then have to spend more thousands for the HD card and BOB!

It might be good for the Newtek's bottom line right now, but I think it would hurt customer satisfaction in the long run. It actually doesn't like something Newtek would do. I don't understand the price increase for the card. I would think they would be reducing the price of the SD card in preparation for the HD card/BOB release! They have to be developing HD switching!

Unless, the new card/BOB will actually, somehow, be capable of HD switching. If I knew it was, I would buy it in a heartbeat (somehow), even if I didn't know when HD switching would arrive! I do wish Newtek would tell us if VT-Pro/SX-84 will ever be capable of HD switching or not.

[Safe Harbor]

This upgrade is for the VT PRO card only. We have no information yet on any upgrade for the SX-84.

[PIZAZZ]

I do wish Newtek would tell us if VT-Pro/SX-84 will ever be capable of HD switching or not.

The VTPro Card and SX84 is SD and will Always be Standard Definition.

HD will be a new card. NewTek already mentioned this in earlier conversations.

[inquisitive]

PIZAZZ - in MY opinion...

For post users the hardware upgrade might not be necessary.

<snip>


It sounds like for post users no upgrade is necessary (hardware or software), if the current card is limited in functionality, and if a FSB 800mhz is needed to take advantage of the new features with the old card or new card, and to top it off the huge increase all of the sudden with no chance to allocate funds prior to the increase.. and no apparent benefit for the $1500 software upgrade fee.

It seems NT just killed the post userbase upgrade path (or at least some of the users or maybe just me).. now you may say why didnt one paid for the upgrade a year ago, well after having paid for the LW upgrade and also waiting for a whole year before it was released .. one is more weary about upgrading and go thru that experience all over again.

The other issue I see is that of a software upgrade with no LW, those that purchased vt4 with lightwave, have an included paid version, why should one be prevented from using the same LW version already in our computers when upgrading. Must those that upgrade have to then have both vt4 and vt5 installed in the same machine just to use the lightwave version already paid for (included with vt4).

so maybe there is value on the upgrade at triple cost of previous upgrades, if so marketing sure has failed make some of us aware of it.

perhaps our upgrade (or at least mine) path is just to get SE for the HD part (or gasp, some other product)

my little disclamer - Im a NT user since the Amiga VT days :) a little confused and concerned.

[wvp]

...a few months down the road when Newtek releases VT[HD]...
in preparation for the HD card/BOB release! They have to be developing HD switching!
Thats very funny!:jester:

[Tarheel Cougar]

Thats very funny!:jester:

At least I hope they are working on one, because others already are.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/on-air/

[Demon8]

Still no news on a release date? I guess NT plan to put us off until the Nevervender 35, 3010.......

[SBowie]

[5] is a hairsbreadth away afaik. It probably isn't helping communications that Paul was unexpectedly hospitalized this week. Not my place to say so, and I hate to blab, but ...

[jcupp]

At least I hope they are working on one, because others already are.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/on-air/

NewTek showed, publicly, an operational prototype TriCaster HD two years ago at their pre-NAB meeting. This used a PCI Express (x8) card. So they are working on HD switching.

[Thalek]

[5] is a hairsbreadth away afaik. It probably isn't helping communications that Paul was unexpectedly hospitalized this week. Not my place to say so, and I hate to blab, but ...

I hope he recovers soon, regardless of the VT[5] project.

[ScorpioProd]

Likewise, Paul's a great guy.:agree:

Get well soon, Paul! :thumbsup:

[SBowie]

Paul is 'the man' - there is no doubt. (Not the only one of course ... but, well, one of the taller ones) ....

Best wishes for a speedy "get back to work, man!!" :D

[Tony R]

Is Paul's condition serious? In the grand scheme of things, VT5 means nothing if it is being compared to one's health. I hope he has a speedy recovery. That said, I am sure that VT5's release is not solely dependent on him. He should rest up and let others take care of things while he recovers.

Tony

[SBowie]

That said, I am sure that VT5's release is not solely dependent on him.No, I'm sure it isn't - which is why I only mentioned this in the context of "It probably isn't helping communications...", and was uncomfortable even doing that (though I'm sure he appreciates the well-wishes.) I have every confidence [5] is imminent.

[Demon8]

We all want Paul to get well, Not only for his greatness in keeping us informed, but also for his family. GET WELL SOON PAUL!!!!:thumbsup:

[ScorpioProd]

I have every confidence [5] is imminent.

Well, if it helps everyone feel better, two dealers I know have already sent out announcements to their mailing lists that VT[5] will be out by Halloween.

Maybe Newtek needs a countdown clock like Apple has for the Leopard release coming out in 5 days.:hey:

[prospector]

two dealers I know have already sent out announcements
not mine :cry:

[billpana]

Best wishes Paul, get well soon.

[Thalek]

Paul, when you get a chance to read this, take the time to heal up right. The VT[5] will take care of itself, and we will take care of ourselves. You do the same, okay?

[Paul Lara]

I wanted to thank all of you for your warm wishes. This is an incredible community! I'm on the mend, and strong enough to work half-days, thanks to all the good vibes sent my way.

[Rich Deustachio]

Nice to see you back Paul hope your feeling better.

Let us know when your well enough to field the "when is VT5 coming out" and the "why can't SE/VT5 do this" questions. :)

[Tony R]

Welcome back and dont worry about VT5. Sometimes we need a good shot of reality to put things into perspective. VT5 vs someone's health is shows that the person's health is priority. Feel better.

Tony

[SystemsEng]

I did not see anything about VT5 being optimised for Sata Drive usage in the Detail. I remember reading about such improvements in past threads.

[Paul Lara]

I did not see anything about VT5 being optimised for SATA Drive usage in the Detail.

In previous versions of VT, the product was required to "manage" bandwidth to and from the disk controller. This was necessary because at the time that these products shipped the controllers where less sophisticated, and tended to perform badly when there where a large number of disk read and write requests pending at the same time. For this reason, disk performance needed to be artificially degraded in order to try to lump large reads together, eliminating excessive drive seeking and PCI bandwidth spikes that could cause video glitches. More recent drive controllers perform significantly better with recent features such as Native Command Queuing. With NCQ, there is an advantage to deliberately requesting a large number of drive reads significantly ahead of their actual need; VT[5] has been optimized to perform particularly well using this type of controller.

[gr49]

It would be helpful if you or a Newtek teckie would publish an up-to-date list of the computer hardware requirements for VT 5. I may be wrong, if so disabuse me of this idea, but it seems to me that, depending on your production activity, there may be different requirements for VT 5. For instance, if your primary video work is with LIVE productions, I would assume that you need more computing power, larger, faster drives, et cetera. If your video work with VT 5 is limited to EDITING and producing DVDs, it would seem that the computing power requirements would be somewhat less. Am I wrong? I want to build a new computer that will take advanage of all of
VT 5's editing abilities and features, but I don't want to waste money for computing power for live production tasks that I will not be using. So, if I'm not too far off base with this thinking, would it be possible to have a list of suggested requirements for Editing and a separate list for folks who would be doing both Editing and Live Production? Thanks for the help.

[ScorpioProd]

Well, remember, if you're making DVDs, you can never have too much CPU power for the rendering...

[tfrank]

It I don't want to waste money for computing power for live production tasks that I will not be using.
My experience with buying computers is to buy for tomorrow, not just for today if you can. In our business, money for capital purchases can be hard to find as there are always more needs than desires. Your job requirements can change and change rapidly. I buy the most that I can when I have the opportunity to spend the money. If you can't buy all of the components, you should at least buy a platform that is easily upgradeable.

[Paul Lara]

it seems to me that, depending on your production activity, there may be different requirements for VT 5. For instance, if your primary video work is with LIVE productions, I would assume that you need more computing power, larger, faster drives, et cetera. If your video work with VT 5 is limited to EDITING and producing DVDs, it would seem that the computing power requirements would be somewhat less.

I would suggest that larger, faster drives would be more important to post production than live switching. I would suggest an editing box with dual dual-core (or a single quad core), 2Gigs RAM, 1333MHz Front Side Bus, and several SATA drives striped as RAID 0. You'd be a smilin' editor.

The simpler answer is to contact your nearest Authorized NewTek reseller! They build out monster boxes every day, and can customize performance and cost based on your daily needs.

[Gary Robinson]

Hi Paul,
I'm glad to hear you're on the mend. Will VT 5 have batch capture and print to tape support? Also, a question I've been investigating but can't find an answer for: does the VT SDI card support 4 channel embedded audio, or would I need the VT SDI card in addition to the upgraded VT card to send sdi and 4 channels to digibeta? Does the pro card support the 4 channel audio directly out with connections, or would I need the SX 84?

[Paul Lara]

Yes, Batch Capture and Print to Tape are both there, as in [4].

VT[4] and soon VT[5] will support 20-bit, 48Khz, 2-channel embedded audio, and requires the SX-84 and and the SX-SDI switchers connected in parallel.

Whether for [4] or [5], the SX-SDI uses a replacement daughter-card for the VT PRO with the newer SDI circuitry, eliminating the need of a separate PCI-based card for Serial Digital I/O.

[Gary Robinson]

Thanks. The SX 84 supports 4 channel in and out doesn't it? If I used the older SDI card, I could send out SDI video through the card, and 4 channel audio through the SX 84 couldn't I?

[wvp]

It would be helpful if you or a Newtek teckie would publish an up-to-date list of the computer hardware requirements for VT 5. ...
Yeah, I would second this.
It would be very helpful to have a nice list on the product page (not in the forum) with specs, including the latest info: "Drive controllers with Native Command Queuing offer significant performance" and similar info.

[gr49]

Thanks Paul,

That info is helpful, but a complete listing on the product's page would really provide my local tech guy with the needed specs for my new computer.

Thanks,

[ScorpioProd]

That info is helpful, but a complete listing on the product's page would really provide my local tech guy with the needed specs for my new computer.
But... There really isn't a VT[5] product page on the Newtek website...

I figured maybe there would be a countdown clock like Apple's clock for the Leopard release...

I mean, with VT[5] coming out in less than 6 days, one would think there might be some real details on the website...

[Thalek]

But... There really isn't a VT[5] product page on the Newtek website...

I figured maybe there would be a countdown clock like Apple's clock for the Leopard release...

I mean, with VT[5] coming out in less than 6 days, one would think there might be some real details on the website...

Less than six days? That's news to me. Pleasant news, mind you, but I hadn't heard until just now.

Huzz