vt 5.2

[deaddavey]

ANY features or changes of note for the forthcoming upgrade?

Also, is there a cost involved in the upgrade? we have only just bought vt5 and due to several HW faults on several pieces of newtek kit, it hasnt even worked fully yet. I hope we dont have additional purchase requirements :s

Thanks

[Scott Bates]

Haven't heard anything about the next VT5.x update, but those .x upgrades have always been no cost patches to the version they upgrade - install on top of the current version.

[ScorpioProd]

I wouldn't expect any cost for the point upgrade.

The main purpose of VT[5.2] seems to be to give VT[5] access to the add-on hardware now available for TriCaster.

There's no SpeedEDIT 1.8 out yet, but I would think SpeedEDIT-VT would at least get bumped to SpeedEDIT 1.5.5 functionality.

And, of course, I'm sure there would be some bug fixes.

[steveg]

Like Paul Laura said a long long time ago there is a VT5 upgrade coming real soon. I wonder if we all just missed it and like Disney films they just won't rerelease it for 7 more years.

[mhenstell]

I just bought a Timewarp, hoping to be able to use it in time for Hockey season. What are the chances of that?

[steveg]

I am so upset with the amount of bugs in SpeedEditVT I can't even believe it hasn't been pulled from the market yet. There is no way NewTek could possibly even sell a new VT. Even VT2 worked better than this. And they still insist it will be soon. When is soon for NewTek? I am not a betaTester nor a programmer yet I have reported an extraordinary amount of bugs and down right flaws in the main speed edit and cg. This really bothers me the longer it takes for them to do anything for us. Sorry to rant again but this quality really isn't what I have come to expect from NewTek.

[goodrichm]

I am so upset with the amount of bugs in SpeedEditVT I can't even believe it hasn't been pulled from the market yet. There is no way NewTek could possibly even sell a new VT. Even VT2 worked better than this. And they still insist it will be soon. When is soon for NewTek? I am not a betaTester nor a programmer yet I have reported an extraordinary amount of bugs and down right flaws in the main speed edit and cg. This really bothers me the longer it takes for them to do anything for us. Sorry to rant again but this quality really isn't what I have come to expect from NewTek.

Pleease make sure you let NewTek know about all those problem bugs you've found! Here are the links I've used to submit bugs:

http://support.newtek.com/VT5/VT5.asp

https://secure.newtek.com/FogBugz/default.asp?pg=pgPublicEdit


You also might want to ask Dr Cross to be a VT5 beta tester. Thanks in advance for helping to improve VT...MG

[Snu]

You also might want to ask Dr Cross to be a VT5 beta tester.
hmm, i would be interested in this... how many people do they allow to be beta testers? should i just email customer service and ask, or what?
also, anyone know if its possible to have two installs of vt5 on one comp?
keeping stable version around is always a good idea... i do still have the vt4.6 install if nothing else tho.

[steveg]

I already emailed them about betaTesting per Paul Laura's request a few months ago but they don't seem interested in even emailing me back to say yes or no. I will repeat an earlier post I made that it could have saved everyone a lot of suffering and time if I were betaTesting. I found more than 10 major bugs the first day I opened VT5. So much for their more than a year statement that the hold up was that they wanted it perfect. I find a new flaw 2 or 3 times a week even now. Again I say unbelievable.

[ScorpioProd]

A beta tester finding a bug doesn't necessarily mean the bug will be fixed.

[SBowie]

A beta tester finding a bug doesn't necessarily mean the bug will be fixed.That's true - but there are numerous factors involved. Some 'bug reports' involve simple misunderstandings - the software doesn't do something the way a particular user expects. Sometimes a 'bug report' is really a 'feature request'. Other times, a bug report cannot be validated because it cannot be reproduced. (In many cases this will be because of some unknown software conflict or hardware issue specific to the users system.)

You don't have to look very far to find people who have been using their VT's (many different versions) happily for years, with very good stability ( http://www.newtek.com/forums/showpost.php?p=734623&postcount=4). And then you can find a few who seem to have nightmare systems and no end of problems. On different occasions, I've personally seen NewTek begging for people to report issues with the CG so they could hunt them down. At risk of my NDA, the most recent bunch of posts in the 5.2 beta forums over some while now has been tongue-in-cheek complaints that the software is so stable people can't find any bugs to report.

What to make of all this? There really is no lack of zeal in killing reproducible bugs. I'd say the best thing to do is make clear, concise, detailed bug reports through FogBugz, listing relevant system details, what you did, what you expected to happen, what did happen, and add screenshots or files where that would help illustrate the problem. And when a problem cannot be reproduced, a great dealer is your best asset.

[mhenstell]

Sounds good, I just wish there was some hint at a timetable for release. Especially considering the recent release of new hardware that states compatibility. Considering how expensive the hardware is, the decision to purchase now and wait, and have it sit until an unknown time when the software is ready is a big concern for small budget TV operations, which seem to be VT's key market.

[SBowie]

Understood. I can state positively that it is not just sitting dormant; people are working on it daily as a priority matter. I have every reason to believe it is imminent but I can't provide an absolute date - sorry.

[ScorpioProd]

Well, unless it's the end of your fiscal year, the prudent plan would seem to be to wait till VT[5.2] is out before buying hardware that will serve you no purpose until then.

[mhenstell]

Our fiscal year just started, and I was hoping to have the timewarp for the start of hockey season (mid november), so hopefully 5.2 will be out by then.

[Paul Lara]

Our fiscal year just started, and I was hoping to have the timewarp for the start of hockey season (mid november), so hopefully 5.2 will be out by then.

Yes, 5.2 is drawing close. Thanks for your patience.

[steveg]

Paul, will we see vt5.2 by the middle of Sept. If not I am sorry but I will have to bail and find somethingthat works. I can't keep having to compromise my shows just because a year and a half wasn't enough time to work out major bugs. and now 9 more months on top of that. I hope your answer is yes it will be done by then. The word "soon" got old in May.

[jhogarty]

steveg,

Are there specific bugs you are experiencing, or are you waiting, like me, for VT5.2 to take advantage of the new hardware/software - ie. TimeWarp, LC-11, LiveText?

J.

[steveg]

I am waiting on NewTek to fix the bugs that I discovered in January. It is now the middle of September. I don't have much hope for NeweTek fixing anything anymore. I am in the process of finding a new editing system right now. Sorry just takes too long to get the system to even run effectivelyb with all the bugs and flaws. Every show I have produced has been a major fight to get it done. I am very unhappy with NewTek. And even more unhappy with being told 'soon' for getting close to 6 months now.

[UnCommonGrafx]

i saw a brief reference to a beta being in progress...mayhaps that'll get finished and out the door soon...

[ScorpioProd]

Were you expecting Newtek to say it wasn't coming soon? :hey:

But seriously, if you are unhappy with your editing system, then DO something about it. You've posted rather regularly about your problems with Newtek's products, so WHY don't you move on??? Really, it's a lot better for your stress to get a product that does what you need.

I mean, if NLEs were some big capital investment, there would be reason to wait and hang on. But they are NOT.

NLEs are COMMODITIES. When you look at the price of Vegas Pro 8, SpeedEDIT 1.5.5, EDIUS 5, etc., they are all CHEAP for anyone doing video professionally.

And except for SpeedEDIT, they all have FREE downloadable 30-day unlimited demos available!

So seriously, stop suffering, try another NLE for FREE and see if it can do what YOU need.

Any further suffering is by your own choice.

[mhenstell]

I mean, if NLEs were some big capital investment, there would be reason to wait and hang on. But they are NOT.

NLEs are COMMODITIES. When you look at the price of Vegas Pro 8, SpeedEDIT 1.5.5, EDIUS 5, etc., they are all CHEAP for anyone doing video professionally.

Yes, but switchers aren't. I don't think it's too much to ask that they update their expensive software so that we can use their expensive hardware (timewarp, etc).

[Paul Lara]

I don't have a date and time yet, but the 5.2 Gold Master is getting tested - does that help?

[steveg]

Paul, thanks for trying to help. I may sound really negative but if it takes a week to test the gold master I may not be able to return my new final cut system. If you think it wil be ready by the weekend I will return it. I hope you can give me a rough answer tomorrow. I would prefer my toaster but I am very unhappy with NewTek right now.

[Paul Lara]

Well, I haven't seen the green light on the installer, and it is Thursday, so I do not think it will happen tomorrow, Steve.

[billpana]

steveg you could always return your Final Cut system and buy it again later if your not happy with 5.2. We bet you will be pleased though.

:thumbsup:

[ScorpioProd]

Not in regards to others in the thread that need the switcher and new hardware of the VT, but specifically in regards to Steve.

The simple fact that Steve is able to replace VT with Final Cut Pro shows that he ONLY needs an editor, NOT a switcher.

And if you only need an editor, VT is not the solution for you.

IF you want to stay in the Newtek fold, SpeedEDIT should be checked out. But if not, there are plenty of other options, including FCP.

It's also important to remember that VT[5.2] won't have a newer version of SpeedEDIT beyond the stand-alone version that is out there currently (of course, that is a lot newer than the SpeedEDIT-VT in VT[5]). If you're an editor-only, this is rather important to note.

IF all you need is an editor, I would recommend keeping your new FCP. Though note that there certainly will be a learning curve, and though you will have a lot more features than SpeedEDIT, "real-time" will not be part of it.

You may find "extras" that come with it such as Motion and LiveType to be even more of an advantage than FCP on its own. A nice DVD authoring program as well, though no Blu-ray support, of course, neither does VT.

Do let us know how you make out with FCP and what you think of it in comparison to your previous NLE, Steve.

[stargatesg1]

Somone mentioned version 1.8 of speededit.???? I only see version 1.5.5 in my downloads.

[stargatesg1]

As a separate aside would be nice if newtek can look at the RED SDK in advance of scarlet (or what it becomes) comes out.. Think how nice it would be to read the r3d files in convert to 2k sized res and edit with those!

[lvsoule]

Actually the VT5 is one of the most amazing video/switcher packages! I guess you could go with a Chyron system, I believe they are running about 80k, once you buy all kinds of confusing pieces. The pieces include keyers, the switcher, seperate graphics generator etc... Another choice is the MXpro by Videonics, with a price tag of around 1.5k. Of course it has no DSK, editing, it is just the switcher. With the videonics, however be ready for lipsync problems, and audio hell. Even though the Videonics has audio inputs- I suggest never using it- ever!!! That means you have to get a seperate audio mixer- by doing this U get audio 3 frames faster than video- so all your video sync is guaranteed to be off.

Also people are comparing FCP with SpeedEdit- FCP only works on Macs. SE works only on PC- these are 2 different worlds. Even Mac OSX has its lipsync problems. I used FCP to capture weddings and it was always hit and miss on lipsync. I have yet to have the toaster capture ever be off. I still think the best editor ever was Premiere 6.5 for Mac- the A/B edit format was killer, it just wasn't real time rendering and it made movies slow compared to SE and FCP. I give SE a 7, FCP a 8, and Premiere 6.5 a 9.

[ScorpioProd]

Somone mentioned version 1.8 of speededit.???? I only see version 1.5.5 in my downloads.

That would be because SE 1.8 didn't happen.

The prediction of SE 1.8 was all based on what Jim Plant had promised in April in his "20 Questions" interview with Paul Lara.

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Q10. When will we see a SpeedEDIT upgrade, and what will be in it?

A. We also have an upgrade planned for SpeedEDIT for later this year. There's lots of cool new stuff in it, but I would say the highlights are the long-requested "sub-projects as overlays" capability, a new interpolated slow motion mode, and better QuickTime support.
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[bbeanan]

As Eugene point out above NLE are cheap if you are a professional editor. Just last night I was looking into a FCP system mainly for COLOR adn some other effects... Right now I have Vegas, Premiere, and SpeedEdit within the next 3 months I will have a FCP system.
Each system has it "specal" features much like my tool box I have many different tools some do a certain job better than the others.

Personally again like Eugene said keep the FCP system and the VT system...

[Paul Lara]

VT[5] version 5.2 is now available for download.

[m4a2000]

Downloading right now... This is so sweet!!!

[m4a2000]

Just done and ran into one little problem in SpeedEdit... MOV files I just used in a project will not load and do not have the preview in the filebin.

[mcabery]

I hate to say it, but I am having troubles too. In my case during the install early on during the "NewtekSD" portion of the install, at the end of that I get an error 643. Installation continues just fine but once it is done and I have restarted and all, VT just simply won't load. I have gone straight to the VT5.exe icon and tried that, no go. Interestingly I can get the DDR and video monitor to load right up. I have tried re-installing from scratch (but haven't removed VT5 prior to upgrade) and have also tried re-setting user preferences. Fortunately if all else fails I backed up my system prior to this install.... No more time to play now, have to go get the kids...

Thanks for any advice that may be forthcoming.

[dweinkauf]

I'm having similar problems. I, too, get stopped on the SD install with error messages about .dll files not being able to be deleted or replaced. Once I bailed out of that mess, the install seemed to go fine until I had to reboot. When I rebooted, I had to sit through a massive check disk procedure on my c: drive that looked like a restoration of the SD files I had to deal with in the installation. This was followed by a long list of orphaned files being restored. Once the computer rebooted into the desktop, up popped a message that read,

"The software you are installing for this hardware - sound, video + game controllers - has not passed Windows logo testing to verify its compatibility with Windows XP. Continuing your installation of this software may impair or distabilize the correct operation of your system either immediately of in the future. Microsoft strongly recommends that you stop this installation now and contact the hardware vendor for software that has passed Windows logo testing."

Since I don't have the patience, time, or talent to deal with system problems, I bailed at this point and as best I could tell, the previous version of VT5 was left installed. Of course I can't really tell because I couldn't find any documentation on which version I now have on the machine. The installed manual, however, was dated November 15, 2007, so I assume I have the older version installed.

What's going on here? Were we supposed to uninstall the older version of VT5 first before installing this update? If so, why wasn't that stated before we started down this path? If not, why weren't these problems dealt with before this thing went out the door and wasted so much of my time?

Any enlightenment here about these problems and how I can find out which version I now have on my computer? Despite the fact that whichever version I have loads a lot slower but does seems to work fine, I plan to stay with it because I can't waste any more time wondering if a fresh install will work correctly.

NewTek - if this new update is broken, please fix it. I'm a bit irritated at this turn of events.

[jhogarty]

Those that are having trouble installing as an upgrade, can you please tell us what OS you are running and some more details about your gear?

I'm downloading the upgrade this morning and plan on installing later today. I'm on Windows XP w/ SP2. To date I've been pretty lucky with little issues with VT[5].

J.

[dweinkauf]

I'm running VT5 on a custom built workstation with a core 2 duo processor with a dual boot XP-pro and XP-64 (SP3) OS and an SX-84 that was built for me by a NewTek dealer about 16 months ago. I've never had a problem with VT until I tried installing this upgrade.

[dweinkauf]

Paul Lara suggested I call Tech Support about the install issues I was having with the upgrade. I did just that and was told by Tech Support that there is, in fact, a problem with the upgrade and that NewTek is working to fix it. I trust NewTek will let us all know when that fix is done so we can safely update our systems.

[mcabery]

My system is on 32 bit Win XP, on a new this year dual core 3.0 ghz machine, 2 GB of RAM, DSI motherboard. Also was working fine. I guess since there looks to be a problem I will just restore back to the old version for now.

Thanks for looking into this!

[jhogarty]

My upgrade went fine for the most part. After two reboots because it told me to, I launched VT[5]. It took a while to rescan stuff - about 8 minutes. Once that was done, I opened my typical stuff --> switcher, 3 DVRs and 3 Monitors. Load a clip in each DVR for quick test. Everything seemed to work.

Upon exiting, I got an error where it asked to report or ignore. I will do more testing tonight.

J.

[m4a2000]

Supermicro X6DA8-G2 board running XP 64-Bit fully updated, C and D drives are SATA and the V drive is a Radi 0 over 4 SCSI, and 2gigs of RAM and another 3 in VM on the V drive. Again, my problem is that my MOV files will not load into VT5.2... These are the same MOV files that I was just working with before the update.

[John Perkins]

We are looking into the DLL in use errors and are working on a solution. The files really DO seem to be in use, the question is what is using them. Once we pinpoint this, it should be a simple fix.

As for MOV files, SpeedEDIT-VT now uses Apple's Quicktime rather than our own implementation.

The upside is that it should be as compatible as the Windows version of Quicktime player.

The downside is that it is exactly as compatible as the Windows version of Quicktime Player and no more.

An easy example is that the DVCPro50 codec is not available for the Windows version of Quicktime (to my knowledge) and our former home-grown reader did support this codec.

As a workaround for clips that once played, rename the file to .avi and our more flexible non-Apple file reader should pick up on it although you would need to inherit the clip back into existing projects because of the name change.

Thanks,

[jhogarty]

My upgrade went fine for the most part. After two reboots because it told me to, I launched VT[5]. It took a while to rescan stuff - about 8 minutes. Once that was done, I opened my typical stuff --> switcher, 3 DVRs and 3 Monitors. Load a clip in each DVR for quick test. Everything seemed to work.

Upon exiting, I got an error where it asked to report or ignore. I will do more testing tonight.

J.

I meant DDRs not DVRs. :D

I see some people have had issues with their RS-8. I have the Tricaster VM usb device and didn't see any issues as of yet. Will do more tests tonight.

J.

[dweinkauf]

John Perkins: We are looking into the DLL in use errors and are working on a solution. The files really DO seem to be in use, the question is what is using them. Once we pinpoint this, it should be a simple fix.

If this is any help, when I did the upgrade install, no other programs were running at the time. I also have no virus protector or firewall on my toaster workstation. I did, however, transfer the upgrade file from from my internet computer's hard drive to the Toaster's D:data drive via a peer to peer network, but I think I closed those windows before starting the upgrade installation. Perhaps this is a possibility.

[John Perkins]

Question for everyone that has the RS-8 problem or a working RS-8:

What version of Windows and which service pack is installed?

I'm still looking for the missing link.

Thanks,

[Paul Lara]

Hey, gang, version 5.2b is now on the registration server, which resolves the problems disabling the RS-8 controller.

[dweinkauf]

Paul,

Except for getting the following message - "The software you are installing for this hardware - sound, video + game controllers - has not passed Windows logo testing to verify its compatibility with Windows XP. Continuing your installation of this software may impair or distabilize the correct operation of your system either immediately of in the future. Microsoft strongly recommends that you stop this installation now and contact the hardware vendor for software that has passed Windows logo testing," the installation of the new version of 5.2b worked fine.

Dave

[John Perkins]

Cool, thanks for letting us know.

That warning is harmless and expected.

Thanks,

[inquisitive]

I notice you mention service pack... does this upgrade need service pack 3? or does it work with service pack 2?

[John Perkins]

It needs at least service pack 2, but service pack 3 doesn't have any known issues with VT5.2.

[m4a2000]

Do I need B if I installed 5.2 A?

[John Perkins]

B is an installer change only.

If A worked for you, then there is no reason to install 5.2b.

[inquisitive]

It needs at least service pack 2, but service pack 3 doesn't have any known issues with VT5.2.

Thanks I have not as of yet upgraded to sp3 (just applied the sp2 fixes) ill do the upgrade.

[Quiet1onTheSet]

Thanks I have not as of yet upgraded to sp3 (just applied the sp2 fixes) ill do the upgrade.

Hey guys! For the benefit of any newbies who might be visiting this thread: Is this "service pack 3" of which you mention, concerning Windows XP Pro?

Q1

[inquisitive]

Hey guys! For the benefit of any newbies who might be visiting this thread: Is this "service pack 3" of which you mention, concerning Windows XP Pro?

Q1

yes WinXP Pro, all my other computers had been patched to sp3 except for the VT one, until a few hours ago. Now that machine is also patched to sp3.

[ScorpioProd]

Were those stories of SP3 breaking certain audio chip support unfounded?

I have no idea myself, just curious if there's any definative answer on that.

[inquisitive]

I didn't know about that issue :) we shall see what happens - do you have the post where that was reported? I wonder what motherboard they were using.

[ScorpioProd]

It was just when I'd googled SP3 reviews a while ago, there was something I read in a couple places about a specific audio chipset that it didn't work with that SP2 did.

OK, here's one article on it, apparently it was only a Release Candidate and not the final release that lacked the Realtek HD Audio support based on the Universal Audio Architecture.

So you're OK. :thumbsup:

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=561

[m4a2000]

Am I the only one who installed on XP 64-Bit?

[goodrichm]

Were those stories of SP3 breaking certain audio chip support unfounded?

I have no idea myself, just curious if there's any definative answer on that.

Here are a couple links talking about SP3 problems with AMD PCs:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9084418.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/09/xp-sp3-crashes-amd-machines